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Need Shotgun Advice - Please help! #7998852 10/05/20 03:21 PM
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Going on my first (of hopefully many) bird hunt this January, for Goose and Pheasant. I need to buy a shotgun and start getting some reps in with it. Can y'all give me some advice on a high quality semi-auto 12ga? I've hear the Beretta A400 is great, and the Stoeger M3500 is very good. Not much else. Shot a Browning Maxus the other day and it felt pretty good. I need all the help I can get, so thanks in advance.


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Beretta is best overall. Browning is good but Benelli M2 is best. Benelli will cost you $$$$ as well Beretta A400. Benelli is recoil operated so I think it kicks more. Beretta is gas but it too is $$$$ unless you can find a A300. You shouldn't need a 3 1/2 in. chamber unless you are pass shooting. Don't just call Cabela's or Bass pro, get ahold of the manager and he can make you a deal.

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Look at the SBE, I been shooting my SBE2 since 2008 and love it. It’s been a great gun, it holds 3 and half inch shells, I never use them but good to have if you are in a situation where you need to take long shots.

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If you find the recoil operated action to your liking check out the Franchi Affinity 3, they make them in 3 and 31/2 models and they are a little less than $1K.


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After 25 years I bought a new shotgun last season. I've always been a Remington guy, but they don't produce the same quality they once did. I wanted to avoid inertia guns, as I am getting older and recoil wears me out now. I settled on a Beretta a300 Outlander. Checked all the boxes for me. I found one on GunBroker.com. After FFL transfer and tax, it ran just under $600 (even with DRT Tru-Timber finish). I would happily have gotten an a400, but the money was prohibitive (Nearly, $900 more). I used some of the money I saved to pickup a Briley bolt release, bolt handle and a couple of extended chokes.

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Here you go and don't look back! An A400 like you suggested above is also great and if you need less recoil the kickoff system is great too. These guns just run and run! I teach youth to shoot a lot and this is my choice hands down! An older 870 before Remington got cheap would be my second choice. Not an automatic but again you pull the trigger and it goes boom no matter what! I have always told my son you want a gun you can paddle the boat with if you have to and then pick it up and kill birds with it!

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Go shoulder some guns and see what fits you best. Length of pull is pretty standard and normally fits close enough for all adults. The biggest issue is how you eye lines up with the bead/rib of the gun.

I really don't believe anyone makes a bad gun these days. Typically the 3 B's are considered the best and will hold their value if you ever decide to sell.

I've been shooting browning gold hunters since the late 90s, I have 3 of them and have been very happy with them.


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IMO there isn't really a "bad" gun made these days. It all comes down to your budget and what shoulders best for you.

I shot a M3500 for years. Killed plenty of ducks and geese with it. It's too damn heavy to carry around for pheasant hunting - in my opinion. It hasn't left the gun safe in several years. It would make an excellent choice if you intended to beat them to death though.

I'm a big fan of Franchi. Can't go wrong with any of the B guns, but $$$

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Skip the 3 1/2" idea and get a Beretta A300. It will be 1/2 the price of a A400. Spend the extra money on gear and shells.

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Get a Benelli Nova pump. They are cheap. See if you like shooting birds. You may, and you may not. Shot it for a year or so then bump up to a better gun if you like it.


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Get a Beretta A400 12 gauge, 28". Fastest & lightest 12 gauge available, at least it was when it came out. Shoots 2-3/4 - 3-1/2".

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Can't really go wrong with any of the "B" guns. I bought a benelli M1 Super 90 in 2000 and it's the best I have ever owned. It fits me well and shoots everything I have ever fed it. It's not a "cheap" investment, so you should go look at several and see how they fit/feel to you. Good luck and have fun!


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Beretta A400...unless you can find a used AL391.The AL391 are are a better gun IHMO.

It is true that the inertia guns require a little less cleaning, but the Beretta gas guns go 2 - 4 CASES (500 -1000 rounds) before they need to be cleared. The easier recoil worth it.


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I used a Benelli Nova (pump) for about 10 years. Solid gun. Never a hiccup. I would still be using it if my boss hadn’t cleaned out his safe and gave me a BNIB Beretta A300. Going on my 2nd season with it. Another good gun.

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Beretta, Benelli, or Browning.

Honorable mention Franchi.


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Originally Posted by longtalltexan
After 25 years I bought a new shotgun last season. I've always been a Remington guy, but they don't produce the same quality they once did. I wanted to avoid inertia guns, as I am getting older and recoil wears me out now. I settled on a Beretta a300 Outlander. Checked all the boxes for me. I found one on GunBroker.com. After FFL transfer and tax, it ran just under $600 (even with DRT Tru-Timber finish). I would happily have gotten an a400, but the money was prohibitive (Nearly, $900 more). I used some of the money I saved to pickup a Briley bolt release, bolt handle and a couple of extended chokes.


Exact same approach I took. All the gun you need and budget friendly.

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I will say I love my post 14' browning A5. Same action as the SBE2. Flawless with any shell you can buy.

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Originally Posted by mx3p4
Beretta is best overall. Browning is good but Benelli M2 is best. Benelli will cost you $$$$ as well Beretta A400. Benelli is recoil operated so I think it kicks more. Beretta is gas but it too is $$$$ unless you can find a A300. You shouldn't need a 3 1/2 in. chamber unless you are pass shooting. Don't just call Cabela's or Bass pro, get ahold of the manager and he can make you a deal.


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Originally Posted by longtalltexan
After 25 years I bought a new shotgun last season. I've always been a Remington guy, but they don't produce the same quality they once did. I wanted to avoid inertia guns, as I am getting older and recoil wears me out now. I settled on a Beretta a300 Outlander. Checked all the boxes for me. I found one on GunBroker.com. After FFL transfer and tax, it ran just under $600 (even with DRT Tru-Timber finish). I would happily have gotten an a400, but the money was prohibitive (Nearly, $900 more). I used some of the money I saved to pickup a Briley bolt release, bolt handle and a couple of extended chokes.


Something I failed to mention about my Beretta a300; So far, it doesn't like any shells under 1 1/4 ounce load. It does mention this in the manual, that at least 1 1/4 ounce is needed for break-in. I forgot about this on my first trip to the range, and it flat would not cycle 1 1/8 Winchester AA's. I was planning to shoot RIO ammo in the field this season anyway, (their stuff is at least 1 1/4 ounce). It eats them up with no problems. With that said, I don't know if its broken-in, or not. I haven't tried anything else through it yet. If I have a chance to try a smaller load, I will update here with the results.

According to the interwebs, your results may vary on this issue.


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If you don't have a budget, for sure the Benelli SBE3.

I'd run a Stoeger M3500 before I spent a penny on a clanky and janky Beretta. Have shot/used the A400 and A300 Outlander, didn't like either of them. Now every Benelli I've shot, up up up Stoeger's are damn near close to the feel of a Benelli for half the price. And I'd run a Stoeger before a Beretta.

But yeah for sure go for a Benelli auto.. Either SBE3 or the M2 if you don't care about 3 1/2" shells. I run a Remington Versamax that I absoutely love.. Didn't have the money nor the willingness to dish out $2000 on a Benelli, especailly since I got the Versamax for damn near half off brand new!

But yeah... My vote is Benelli all the way..

1- Benelli
2- Remington (the V3 or the Versamax... the other new Remingtons are junk)
3- Stoeger
4- Winchester SX4
5- Beretta

But with that said, the reality of it is since it's gonna be your first time bird hunting, just get a 870 or Mossberg 500 pump! You ain't gotta start with the biggest and baddest gun. I started with a Winchester 1300 12 gauge pump that I picked up for $230 as my first duck gun, after being preached on here that I had to absolutely get an A400 or SBE3 to kill a bird.... I shot many of ducks with that 1300 no problem. Now that I know that I'm hooked, I went ahead and upgraded.

My friend still shoots a rusty and crusty Mossberg 500 and doesnt do any worse than I do!

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If you don't have a budget, for sure the Benelli SBE3.

I'd run a Stoeger M3500 before I spent a penny on a clanky and janky Beretta. Have shot/used the A400 and A300 Outlander, didn't like either of them. Now every Benelli I've shot, up up up Stoeger's are damn near close to the feel of a Benelli for half the price. And I'd run a Stoeger before a Beretta.

But yeah for sure go for a Benelli auto.. Either SBE3 or the M2 if you don't care about 3 1/2" shells. I run a Remington Versamax that I absoutely love.. Didn't have the money nor the willingness to dish out $2000 on a Benelli, especailly since I got the Versamax for damn near half off brand new!

But yeah... My vote is Benelli all the way..

1- Benelli
2- Remington (the V3 or the Versamax... the other new Remingtons are junk)
3- Stoeger
4- Winchester SX4
5- Beretta

But with that said, the reality of it is since it's gonna be your first time bird hunting, just get a 870 or Mossberg 500 pump! You ain't gotta start with the biggest and baddest gun. I started with a Winchester 1300 12 gauge pump that I picked up for $230 as my first duck gun, after being preached on here that I had to absolutely get an A400 or SBE3 to kill a bird.... I shot many of ducks with that 1300 no problem. Now that I know that I'm hooked, I went ahead and upgraded.

My friend still shoots a rusty and crusty Mossberg 500 and doesnt do any worse than I do!


May be mistaken but, werent you just on here a couple of months ago saying you were new to autoloaders and asking which one to buy? I believe you may have gotten frustrated that no one would vouch for the Remington you were sold on. A lot of new found experience, huh?

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I will say this about Beretta's......I have seen alot of them freeze up and jam up in the blind. I had a 391 years back and like said above, it only liked certain loads through it. Money well spent is for sure on Benelli.


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