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Extremely controversial subject #7966776 09/09/20 03:43 PM
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Please, bear with me and don't misunderstand me. Ever heard of catching 'yotes on a treble hook hung from a limb? I'm not asking how to do it, I'm just asking if you're ever heard of it. I ran across a thread in another forum and one of the guys said it's popular in Texas. I've only been here six months, so I'm still learning the culture and the ways.

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No, never heard of that and it doesn't seem like it would be a good idea from the collateral damage standpoint.


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I’ve heard of hooking a rabbit to call them in. I won’t say who said they e done it though bolt


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When I was a kid my father's old business partner would do it in Burleson County. It was years ago. He also used cyanide traps. There was a bounty on coyotes back then.

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I have never heard of it and agree that it to have too much collateral damage potential.

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It works for turkeys. So I’ve been told.

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I have heard of it and it's more common than you want to believe.

Not any different than hanging a baited hook for alligators!

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Originally Posted by fishdfly
I have heard of it and it's more common than you want to believe.

Not any different than hanging a baited hook for alligators!


That's an interesting observation.

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I’ve heard some old land owners say they used to do it. Hand a big treble with a big chunk of rotten meat on it.

Painful way to go! Luckily few of any people do it now a days.


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"Painful way to go! Luckily few of any people do it now a days"


Yep, but folks in East Texas were not too worried about the feelings of a coyotes..

Only reason some folks have slowed down is because of the Government Trappers.

Some of the same folks would put snares where deer would crawl under barb wire fences.

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Originally Posted by Duke107
I ran across a thread in another forum and one of the guys said it's popular in Texas.


Somebody lied to you or they have a different definition of "popular." No doubt some people may use them, but it is not a "popular" trapping technique.

Using a treble hook is not considered a legal means and use of such a method may also put you in violation of animal cruelty laws.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/...bearing-animal-regulations/means-methods


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I have heard of it and it's more common than you want to believe.

Not any different than hanging a baited hook for alligators!


That's an interesting observation.


There is a very big difference, legality.


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I have heard of it, but never any first hand knowledge.


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Originally Posted by Double Naught Spy
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I ran across a thread in another forum and one of the guys said it's popular in Texas.


Somebody lied to you or they have a different definition of "popular." No doubt some people may use them, but it is not a "popular" trapping technique.

Using a treble hook is not considered a legal means and use of such a method may also put you in violation of animal cruelty laws.
https://tpwd.texas.gov/regulations/...bearing-animal-regulations/means-methods


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I have heard of it and it's more common than you want to believe.

Not any different than hanging a baited hook for alligators!


That's an interesting observation.


There is a very big difference, legality.



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Fur-bearing Animals: "...Coyotes and Bobcats are not classed as fur-bearing animals and are not subject to these regulations..."

Nuisance Fur-bearing Animals
"Landowners or their agents may take nuisance fur-bearing animals in any number by any means at any time on that person's land without the need for a hunting or trapping license."

I'm not condoning the practice, I'm just saying DPW doesn't show it as illegal.

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That method has been used for years, just not talked about by those who use it.


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Originally Posted by stxranchman
That method has been used for years, just not talked about by those who use it.


Therein lies the truth.

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Originally Posted by Duke107

Fur-bearing Animal Definitions
Fur-bearing Animals: "...Coyotes and Bobcats are not classed as fur-bearing animals and are not subject to these regulations..."

Nuisance Fur-bearing Animals
"Landowners or their agents may take nuisance fur-bearing animals in any number by any means at any time on that person's land without the need for a hunting or trapping license."

I'm not condoning the practice, I'm just saying DPW doesn't show it as illegal.


Excellent on the fur bearing clarification.

I noticed you left out just one critical legal word from "by any means" and that word is "lawful."

In 2004, they were arresting people for coyote fishing...
https://www.myplainview.com/news/article/Coyote-fishing-among-animal-threats-at-Padre-8770093.php

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Does anyone really care? Dead is dead. Poison Gas, Leg traps, Fish hooks and even bullets get them to the same place, dead. I find it ridiculous anyone would have a problem with it. Anyone with a problem with anyone of these tactics are just trying to control others based on their beliefs. I say they should worry about their own and I will worry about mine.


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Originally Posted by HornSlayer
Does anyone really care? Dead is dead. Poison Gas, Leg traps, Fish hooks and even bullets get them to the same place, dead. I find it ridiculous anyone would have a problem with it. Anyone with a problem with anyone of these tactics are just trying to control others based on their beliefs. I say they should worry about their own and I will worry about mine.


Hi HornSlayer,

Surely it is OK for us to disagree on issues, in a respectful way, and for people to be free to hold an opinion (even a strong one) without being accused of trying to control others.

Yes, the end result is the same - death. And dead is dead. However, since we are the killers we can decide on the method we use, and some methods lead to a quicker death than others. My personal opinion is that when we kill something we should try to do it in a way that causes the animal as little pain and suffering as possible.

I would imagine that, as with jackals in South Africa, an overpopulation of coyotes has an adverse effect on deer and small game populations and the coyote numbers therefore need to be controlled. At the same time, a "normal" population of coyotes in an area means they play the role nature intended them to: predation on small game and vermin, taking out the sick and weak deer etc etc. While they can cause damage, they have no malice. They are simply being coyotes feeding themselves and their young. I don't think the life of a coyote is any less precious than the life of any other animal. When I have to kill a jackal I try to do it as quickly and cleanly as when I shoot an impala.

The above is one opinion from one person who does not even live in Texas. I am not trying to change your opinion. I am simply stating mine and tried to provide my rationale for holding that opinion. I have tried to do that in a rational, non-confrontational and respectful manner and hope it comes across that way.

All the best to you.

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Doing this would fall under the PACT act signed by the president last november. It would be a federal felony if caught. The record and public sentiment in this new online world ruin the life of the person doing it and create a lot of other problems for them considering how studies connect people who do such things with violent crimes or demented behavior. If done by a known outdoorsman type of person it would additionally be used by the media and animal rights organisations as fuel to lump in with legal trapping to put it into a further negative light as a way to create further restrictions on legal trapping. Whatever one believes, risk to benefit it would be a really stupid self destructive thing to do. Get it out of your head if you considering doing this. No reason to do such things when steel traps and snares are legal and certainly much more effective.

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Originally Posted by Sniper John
Doing this would fall under the PACT act signed by the president last november. It would be a federal felony if caught. The record and public sentiment in this new online world ruin the life of the person doing it and create a lot of other problems for them considering how studies connect people who do such things with violent crimes or demented behavior. If done by a known outdoorsman type of person it would additionally be used by the media and animal rights organisations as fuel to lump in with legal trapping to put it into a further negative light as a way to create further restrictions on legal trapping. Whatever one believes, risk to benefit it would be a really stupid self destructive thing to do. Get it out of your head if you considering doing this. No reason to do such things when steel traps and snares are legal and certainly much more effective.


Again, I'm not condoning the practice. I'm challenging your statement concerning the PACT act. You need to READ it. CAREFULLY.

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People who have office jobs and express their views on hunting forums tend to have different view points than those who are trying to make a living raising critters for sale.

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We've used cyanide guns, foot traps, and snares. 40 years ago, when our place was leased out for grazing, the leasee used hot dog pieces injected with some sort of cotton spray. I don't know how many coyotes it killed but it laid waste to just about every opposum, skunk, and coon on the place.

Until today, I'd not heard of the treble hook method. Doesn't seem much different than a snare but I see where it could harm other critters pretty easily, including cows (yes, they're that dumb).


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"including cows (yes, they're that dumb)."

I was working fence and a cow waked up to the truck, opened her mouth, grabbed a fog light on the front bumper and pulled it off. She backed up, opened her mouth and dropped the light and walked off.

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Funny how we pass judgment on cattle when we have people eating Tide pods.


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