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As pappy once said:
A person with an open mind has wider point of view...

Tis like the debates, HFvsLF, recurveVSlongbowVScompondVScrossbow.
& the many other debates...

Me first deer rifle (gun) twas Kentucky.45 cap&ball...
Gun season in MN twas shot gun or ML, back in 70's
Never heard of the in-line.
Me pard & i twas in the for a hobbies, western style gun's
When seen the in-line, as some one else mentioned powder the big difference & the 209 caps...
Modern rifle with out cartrage,loaded down muzzle...

Did the archery with compound...
Much respect for old school...
Twas 140# just lacking shoulder strength for 70# draw...
Compound made for more human shooting
Whin shoulders went kaput, turned down first bow 60# ta 50#, shoullders were still poppen,
Friend could here 10 yrds away, while i was 14ft in air...
He thought limbs on bow
So got crossbow, WMA didn't allow crossbow, & I couldn't get disability...
Here in MN 60can use crossbow, yet if had choose would use compond...
presently bought in-line, my ML are in with rest of gun collection, even me AR set up for hogs...
So started over... couldn't find .45's & went with in-line due ta health problems.
Yet still prefure me .45Kentucky.
As pappy say's:
one must know limitation of oneself rather than weapon...

Like ta hear thoughts...

Thanks for making a thread for this instead of hijacking like below...

I think the entry argument to this debate is the intent and the spirit behind the "muzzleloader" season. Which- I firmly believe, similar to archery season the idea was a limited range weapon that tests skills and woodsmanship and as a result those who practice that discipline get a chance before the gun hunters.

Limited range used to be pretty much any muzzleloader, even to include inlines. But technology has advanced rapidly to the point of smokeless muzzleloaders with scopes that are capable of taking game at ranges past what most modern riflemen are capable.

Quite honestly- I don't give a dam if you use a percussion, flintlock or inline. I believe the line should be drawn at black powder or substitutes (777, BH209) and NOT smokeless. And NO optics should be allowed. Right there, through ballistic capability and personal capability (open sights) you now meet the intent of limited range as most folks can't hit a pie plate with open sights much past 150 yards.

If someone wants to give themselves an advantage over the weather by using a more modern BP set up like an inline with a 209, who cares-- I just don't want BP seasons to turn into a 700 yard free for all.

legal tis legal..
ML season added on ta the deer hunt season...

I have both, I used to range shoot with a some guys and they also had both When we were shooting competition against each other we used like weapons, just one of own rules. The other guys were serious, I was just along for the fun. I used a $50 wood stocked Hawkins for my trditional because it shot good. For the inline I used a cheap ugly Pedersoli that I got from a guy that needed money, gun powder, patches, balls etc., for $40. That thing shoots great. They laugh at it, but it helps me play the game.

My wife's father was a machinist by trade but also a gunsmith, he made traditional muzzleloaders, that are better than my "junkers", but they are rarely shot, One is a double barrel 50 with an apple wood stock, ever once in a while my wife will shoot it, the other a single barrel mountain man styl, if you had to carry it all day, you would need a cart to haul it around, but is the most accurate muzzleloader I have sever shot. But I prefer his custom made 270 that looks like a Weatherby.

well said, totally agree

I have both, The agruement of purism is pompous and in so the degrading others based off a type of ignition system is as about petty as it gets. Season and weapon restraints are built off a sustainablity and harvest percentage model. We need more hunters not less due to governmental restrictions causing more barriers of entry

Thanks for your input BOBO...
edit : Whin they started the crossbow during archery, (@ the time my shoulders were going kaput), i was all for it...
Yet on public land, they wouldn't allow crossbows, so i had ta give up archery...
Here 60+ can use crossbow, if health was good, still be using bow...

edit ta edit : You do realize, the reason for the 209 primers used ta ignite tis due ta the modern powder being used... Reason for the greater range & accuracy down range....
basically, shooting mode rifle with out carriage, so should they allow 30-30's ?

Bump.... ignition system tis NOT the burrier of fewer hunters..
Big Buck$ plays a bigger roll... High price of leasing, affordable hunting...

A recent discussion traditional vs in-line in a different thread in muzzle loading has ...
Their is a differance...

The powder used in in-lines tis not traditional...
Somethings ya don't learn in gramer school...
pappy

My first M/L was a 40cal Kentucky long rifle that I still have,killed afew deer with it too, I have debated this issue over many campfires and for me personally I use use the most technically advanced equipment I can afford unless I just feel like putting on the buckskins [yes have two complete outfits right down to the moccasins] and takin ol Betsy out of the safe. I guess im a traditionalist at heart and mostly hunt public lands but every now and then I'll go get me one of those high fence store bought deer. 😁 Hey just pickin guys

FIFY...
Advanced technology <(spell check) equipment was the breach loader...

Or the iron tipped arrow

High-tech... it's so easy a caveman can do it...
pappy

Ya today's in-lines dont need camo, scent spray, deer steps out 200yrds.

bang won't even know what hit it...

I shoot both too but my desire to get something makes me go with the in-line during the mz season.

Colorado does it right-- or close to right (love to see a full 'traditional' season)

3. MUZZLELOADING RIFLES & SMOOTHBORE MUSKETS
a. Only legal muzzleloaders allowed in muzzleloading seasons.
b. In-line muzzleloaders are legal.
c. Must be a single barrel that fires a single round ball or conical projectile.
d. To hunt deer, pronghorn or bear, conical bullets must be a minimum of .40
caliber, and round-ball bullets must be a minimum of .50 caliber.
e. To hunt elk or moose, conical bullets must be a minimum of .50 caliber, and
round-ball bullets must be a minimum of .54 caliber.
f. From .40 caliber to .50 caliber, bullets must weigh a minimum of 170 grains.
g. If greater than .50 caliber, bullets must weigh a minimum of 210 grains.
h. Shotshell primers and B.O.R. Lock MZ System bullets are legal.
i. Pelletized powder systems are prohibited during muzzleloading seasons.
j. Cannot be loaded from the breech during muzzleloading seasons.
k. Only open or iron sights allowed in muzzleloading seasons. Fiber optics
and fluorescent paint incorporated into or on open or iron sights are legal.
Scopes or any sighting device using artificial light, batteries and electronic
gear are prohibited during muzzleloading seasons.
l. Sabots are prohibited during muzzleloading seasons. Cloth patches are not sabots.
m. Smokeless powder is prohibited in muzzleloading seasons. Black powder
and black-powder substitutes are legal.
n. Electronic or battery-powered devices cannot be incorporated into or attached to muzzleloader during muzzleloading seasons.

Kind of surprising to me that Colorado comes that close to a traditional black powder hunting season, but I would have to support them.

MN. You can use muzzleloader's during shotgun slug. With scope...
They also have a muzzle loader season... Tis thinking last year they allowed scopes...
Still enjoy me Kentucky .45 hunts... Keeping it traditional.
both mine still in .. Recently found a .45 in-line...
Already have two .50 cal in-lines, prefure the .45, individual choice...

Ta me, thar b something special about keeping it traditional, Boone&Crocket style...
Even keeping it simple (stone point tips), man has the advantage over game...

Do thank all for their posts, keeping it a friendly discussion...
All have the 1st Amendment Freedom of Speech, when it comes ta 2nd Amendment Right ta bare Arms...

Best wish's on up coming hunts ta all...

Social distancing from MN.

It’s an opportunity elk state, ML regs are based off harvest %’s. They could loosened the regs but would have to move the season way up to first week of season or into first week of October or......significantly lower tag numbers.

NM perfect example reason why ML season is later, although it does catch some rutting action