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Distribution of gender in a sounder. #7891069 07/05/20 07:01 PM
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Finally got some daylight videos at the farm I hunt. The group doesn't look familiar and consists of several adults, a number of sub-adults, and a couple of shoats. Could be the spring sounder or part of it that grew up. Anyway, there is only one of the shoats that is female - almost all of the others appear to be male. The grass is high so its not easy to tell, but walking away it is certainly obvious. At least 14 in the group on vid. I know it varies widely, but it just seems unusual. Anybody ever encounter anything similar?

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Re: Distribution of gender in a sounder. [Re: Douglas Tipton] #7891264 07/05/20 10:31 PM
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On average the population will average out to roughly 54/46 (male/female). For domestics, which ferals were, larger individual litters tend to have more females and litters born in the winter tend to have more male.
https://journals.plos.org/plosone/article?id=10.1371/journal.pone.0030318
https://pdfs.semanticscholar.org/8d05/d0504872cf329b73f2b8277fc5441313c47d.pdf

You mentioned the number 14. That was the whole group size or the number of males? Do you know that you saw the entire sounder?

"Adults" in hogs is really relative, depending on whether you go by age (as indicated by bone/tooth development and wear), size, or capability of breeding. Shoats may reproduce successfully at just 6-8 months of age and have a litter on the ground by 1 year of age, yet not be an adult, though would be consider "sows" because they have bred. The smallest mama hog I have found was only 65 lbs and I have seen numerous that were under 100 lbs.

Around 2 years of age are when hogs get their third molars fully erupted and that is about when their bones cease growing and the ends fuse. Skeletally, that would be when the hogs become adults because they have stopped growing (though they may fatten). I have killed 250 lb boars that had tiny nubbins for tusks and their 3rd molars only partially erupted (probably 2 years old or less). I have killed 160 lbs boars with impressively long cutters and their 3rd molars showing full wear (older hog). So size can be really sketchy for age assessments.

You said you had a "couple" of shoats but only 1 is female. That would indicate a 50/50 ratio of shoats. Maybe you are confusing your terminology and math?


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Re: Distribution of gender in a sounder. [Re: Douglas Tipton] #7891356 07/05/20 11:54 PM
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Way overcomplicating a simple question and yes I know math and terminology and I don't need a treatise on the life cycle and dental history of a pig.

Let me restate - I got a bunch of effing hogs and a vast majority are male, which seems odd.

https://youtu.be/EQ_bxzTHbBU

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https://youtu.be/lhZ3CyZIH_g


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The lead appears female as does one of the littlest ones which you can call by whatever name you please. I can say I haven't seen that many sets of nuts since the army.

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Originally Posted by Douglas Tipton
Way overcomplicating a simple question and yes I know math and terminology and I don't need a treatise on the life cycle and dental history of a pig.

Let me restate - I got a bunch of effing hogs and a vast majority are male, which seems odd.

https://youtu.be/EQ_bxzTHbBU


Cool your jets, man! The guy was trying to give you an answer to your question and you come back at him throwing shade. You asked; he answered. You might be happier over in the fishing forum; they will will cop an attitude in a heartbeat.

Re: Distribution of gender in a sounder. [Re: Douglas Tipton] #7891420 07/06/20 01:04 AM
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Ha! I actually know one of those drama queens. trout

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Sorry Douglas, your opening post was such a hot mess of confusion, misdirection and incongruence , I was just trying to help you out.


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Ya all good. 😘 I usually write better than that. Now that you've seen the vids did the abundant crop of walnuts jump out at you like it did me?

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And yes apologies to DNS. I came too hot out of the gate. My bad. back confused2

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Re: Distribution of gender in a sounder. [Re: Douglas Tipton] #7920562 08/01/20 08:29 PM
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So I got a good long look in numerous videos. I think this is part of the sounder that had 24 shoats and 4 new babies. Babies are a little bigger as are the others. 17 I counted and 15 are males.

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