I put up a HF because, after 10 years of hunting the place, I tired of never seeing a buck over 1.5 yo, and the place being over grazed.

The neighbors shot every buck they saw and didn't want to shoot does. So the buck to doe ratio what way out of whack and the habitat was suffering. Similar to many areas in Texas.

Now, the deer population is down, the flora and fauna, are in better shape. Soil erosion is decreased There are more quail, more doves, and other wildlife.

Hunting is actually "harder" because you see fewer deer, but the ones you see are healthy and there actually mature bucks around.

If you think it's hunting in a pen, you ain't been there.

at least he's using a smaller shovel

Sweet. Break out the Natty Light & Rohypnol, & crank up the Luther Vandross.

The sad part is, Karen has been wrong since his 1st post here, & hasn’t learned a thing. If Karen wasn’t so ignorant & obstinate, I had the thought of showing him around my ranch & letting him hunt hogs, just so he could get a different perspective on things & maybe learn something.

I’m glad I didn’t.

How do you figure? Regardless of HF/LF, I don't see how you can argue this point. 10% of people hunt, 5% are anti, and 85% are nonhunters, the majority of which generally support hunting. If that were to change, even a very vocal 10% isn't going to save hunting.

Of course he hasn’t been there. He’s only a hunting expert on the internet.

That’s exactly the reason most HF goes up, folks like Karen who shoot everything they can, if they can get on a lease.

How do you imagine non-hunters dictating who hunts on private land? This is Texas ol son.

Y’all are creating a straw man & giving him super powers, in an effort to justify an absurd position.

Look at grizzly hunting in B.C. or mountain lions in California, or the many states that have banned hunting over bait, or with dogs, etc. Those were done by popular vote by non-hunters. It's not a straw man, it has happened many times. Sure, it's less likely in Texas, but only because those 85% of folks are supportive of hunting. That's the only difference between here and California.

Max, they are talking about Non hunters that VOTE!!!! Surely you understand that could be a threat if non hunters view hunters/hunting in a bad light.
"WE" need to get non hunters to hunt(kids and adults), or at minimum slant their views on hunting and hunters. Recruit, educate, market.
I dont know how your attack of another hunter on this forum is helping anything at all.

Sherpa you are correct but general public also has a hard time with the consumption and killing part of apex predators, thanks Disney. That’s a fundamental difference. Hunters where a huge part of the dog hunting bans, many publicly spoke against hounds and baiting

General public cares about consumption and sustainablitiy, not so much with the fake fair chase agruement. There has never been a fairchase fast food hamburger in the History if the US, yet billions are eaten a year.

Perception about HF is a worse fight between hunters then general public. General public can understand consumption, habitat improvements, herd health when it’s actually explained to them.

Now look back on THF and look at hunters degrading other hunts because they feel the score accomplish of others belittles their own. It’s truely said. So much for eachs own experiences/memories and consumption...

If you want to save hunting, educate hunters and general public on what a score system actually does/accomplishes out side of (trophy hunting), I hate BC but their record reasoning was once legitimate

Yes, 2 commie [censored] that are a long way from TX.

Y’all are scared of things that will never happen here.

Karen is not a hunter. He’s a socialist looking for free handouts.

How do you figure? Regardless of HF/LF, I don't see how you can argue this point. 10% of people hunt, 5% are anti, and 85% are nonhunters, the majority of which generally support hunting. If that were to change, even a very vocal 10% isn't going to save hunting. [/quote]

How do you imagine non-hunters dictating who hunts on private land? This is Texas ol son.

Y’all are creating a straw man & giving him super powers, in an effort to justify an absurd position.
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Look at grizzly hunting in B.C. or mountain lions in California, or the many states that have banned hunting over bait, or with dogs, etc. Those were done by popular vote by non-hunters. It's not a straw man, it has happened many times. Sure, it's less likely in Texas, but only because those 85% of folks are supportive of hunting. That's the only difference between here and California. [/quote]


That "only" difference is a GIANT difference compared to Cali.........voting to stop hunting here will be the equivalent of voting to take firearms away.........even if the cesspool cities vote for it it will never be enforced.......Texans will continue to own their guns and hunt with them IMO..................property rights will ALWAYS win the day in this state IMO........

Stop using facts and logic..........not allowed in these threads.........it's all about I want you to hunt like I do, even though I have wounded animals that have suffered that I never found........it was fair chase so it's all good.......

Very good points.

Thank you JJH

End of the day what we do as hunters and land stewards is much more then a trophy pic and score sheet, that is our message, that’s out justification.

We often forget when agrueing amongst ourselves that our deer aren’t migratory, our pronghorn aren’t migratory, our sheep aren’t migratory etc. People want to agrue migratory as dispersal. They aren’t synonymous. We have a much more active and intrusive role as local year round habitat managers with non migratory herds then migratory herd. When you can deter dispersal in, you have a better chance at improving habitat with out having to have a larger mouth eradication program. Once again we as hunters tend to look right past that and focus on size and scores of heads...

Wild Horse Island And Antelope Island have a lot in common, both are high fenced sheep herds by definition.... but wild horse has turned into one of the greatest sheep restocking seed programs in the US. Antelope island will do the same going forward and offer hunts. They share a lot of similarities on a conservation front as most HF’s, sometimes you just got to look at the good and not the puppets on the pulpit

I am not putting down the high fence deal. Even shooting tame deer in pens is alot "nicer" than most modern agricultural methods. And I recognize, most high fence places are not shooting tame deer in pens. Some of you would rather have fun, make jokes, and put words in my mouth. It's about what I expected.

This is not a "straw man" argument that I am trying to make. It is literally happening RIGHT NOW. But so many of you have got your heads in the sand and you think it will never change.

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Thank you BOBO

I’ll ask again. What if they decide they don’t like bow hunting? Are we going to abandon that to save the ship?

What, exactly, do you think is happening right now? Please be specific.

We will never give up guns or hunting in Texas. You might not know that if you ain’t from here.