texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
TraeMartin, Beatixre, MooseSteed, Trappernewt, casyoo
71987 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 110,788
bill oxner 91,416
SnakeWrangler 65,416
stxranchman 60,296
Gravytrain 46,950
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,461
Stub 43,768
Forum Statistics
Forums46
Topics536,995
Posts9,719,273
Members86,987
Most Online25,604
Feb 12th, 2024
Print Thread
Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Arrowheads #7874389 06/18/20 08:53 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Creekrunner Offline OP
THF Celebrity
OP Offline
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Technically "hunting", they just don't have a pulse. grin So, I found a fairly large area with lots of obviously worked flint and pink rocks, that I've been told were their fires for cooking sotol roots, but I don't know if that's accurate. My question is, would this be a good place to scratch around for some semi-recognizable points, or were all the finished product probably taken away and used?

Flat area right above what was probably then a flowing creek.

I'm anxious to find my first, solid point on this new place.


...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874393 06/18/20 08:57 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
What I have been told is look on the South side of were the fires were. The wind is usually out of the South and it was not as smoky on that side.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874396 06/18/20 09:00 PM
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,971
D
Dry Fire Online Content
Extreme Tracker
Online Content
Extreme Tracker
D
Joined: Jun 2009
Posts: 4,971
Check the creek bed itself.


coffee spelled backwards is eeffoc. I don't give eeffoc until I have my morning coffee.
Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874431 06/18/20 09:44 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,301
B
Blank Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
B
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,301
Use your imagination, and try to envision what the flow path would have been back then. Our best picking has been almost 200 yards from the present river bed, but is up on a raised bank where they would have camped.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874439 06/18/20 10:01 PM
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,267
C
cos Online Content
Pro Tracker
Online Content
Pro Tracker
C
Joined: May 2010
Posts: 1,267
Fair warning. After you find a nice one, your hooked, you will lose a crop looking for them. I have an old campsite on the place I just built a new home on and my wife and I spend lots of time in that area. Turns into hard work. Recently found an Obsidian drill and a 3inch long Obsidian point that are perfect.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874442 06/18/20 10:07 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 570
P
Papalote Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
P
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 570
I am not far from you as the crow flies. I have found several arrowheads on the north side of my Creek, 60-80 yards above the creek bed. Several rock types and designs were found in the general area. I found the most during the 2011 drought.
Lots of fossils as well.

Last edited by Papalote; 06/18/20 10:08 PM.
Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874443 06/18/20 10:07 PM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422
J
jeffbird Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
J
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422
Guys,

please document where you find things with GPS coordinates and a photo.

There is a huge amount of history of this State that is unknown and documenting finds like these can help fill in lots of unknown questions.

Thanks.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: jeffbird] #7874455 06/18/20 10:18 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 14,948
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Guys,

please document where you find things with GPS coordinates and a photo.

There is a huge amount of history of this State that is unknown and documenting finds like these can help fill in lots of unknown questions.

Thanks.

I don't think a lot of folks would want to give out that type of information. At least not me.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: jeffbird] #7874465 06/18/20 10:24 PM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,217
Double Naught Spy Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,217
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Guys,

please document where you find things with GPS coordinates and a photo.

There is a huge amount of history of this State that is unknown and documenting finds like these can help fill in lots of unknown questions.

Thanks.


Sort of. I did archaeology for 25 years. Scavenging/collecting artifacts often destroys a lot of context, sometimes even those from erosional contexts. Except in the case of rare types, a geographic location doesn't really add much to what isn't already known (basic range distribution of point types). Even then, having the data doesn't do much if it doesn't end up in some sort of comprehensive database.

Creekrunner, you should be finding a lot of FCR (fire-cracked rock) if they are cooking sotol and lechuguilla. FCR actually has a distinctive look when you learn to recognize it.

https://www.google.com/search?sxsrf=ALeKk01U8Swvb0MpIs_uQyN-Ca_oVwrqag:1592518982162&source=univ&tbm=isch&q=fire+cracked+rock+ovens+sotol+texas&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjg4-rBs4zqAhVSXKwKHbl-B1IQsAR6BAgIEAE&biw=1440&bih=739


Hogdalorian - Si vis pacem cum sus, para bellum.
My Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange
Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874470 06/18/20 10:27 PM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 20,891
Sniper John Online Happy
gumshoe
Online Happy
gumshoe
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 20,891
Could be a midden.
https://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/bowie/middenwhat.html
There is likely several artifacts to be found there. Most of the central Texas paid screen digs are at sites that include rock middens.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Sniper John] #7874498 06/18/20 10:57 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Creekrunner Offline OP
THF Celebrity
OP Offline
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Originally Posted by Sniper John
Could be a midden.
https://www.texasbeyondhistory.net/bowie/middenwhat.html
There is likely several artifacts to be found there. Most of the central Texas paid screen digs are at sites that include rock middens.


I found a huge one of those at the top of a very steep canyon, on a lease north of Sanderson. It was so big, I was scared to go back up and start digging around, but an absolutely gorgeous setting (for true west Texas). I am a true Christian believer, but I still don't want to piss any past inhabitants off. bolt I told the LO, a true square-head transplanted from Mason. He didn't give a rat's arse. grin


...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
Re: Arrowheads [Re: don k] #7874599 06/19/20 12:32 AM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 31,779
T
txtrophy85 Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 31,779
Originally Posted by don k
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Guys,

please document where you find things with GPS coordinates and a photo.

There is a huge amount of history of this State that is unknown and documenting finds like these can help fill in lots of unknown questions.

Thanks.

I don't think a lot of folks would want to give out that type of information. At least not me.



Yeah I would vote no on that as well


For it is not the quarry that we truly seek, but the adventure.
Re: Arrowheads [Re: txtrophy85] #7874612 06/19/20 12:46 AM
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422
J
jeffbird Offline
Extreme Tracker
Offline
Extreme Tracker
J
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 4,422
Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Originally Posted by don k
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Guys,

please document where you find things with GPS coordinates and a photo.

There is a huge amount of history of this State that is unknown and documenting finds like these can help fill in lots of unknown questions.

Thanks.

I don't think a lot of folks would want to give out that type of information. At least not me.



Yeah I would vote no on that as well


I did not say share it publicly, just document it for future reference.

Or just take a shovel and tear it up if that makes you feel better.



Re: Arrowheads [Re: Blank] #7874669 06/19/20 01:51 AM
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,518
Reloder28 Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
Joined: Apr 2007
Posts: 1,518
Originally Posted by Blank
Use your imagination, and try to envision what the flow path would have been back then. Our best picking has been almost 200 yards from the present river bed, but is up on a raised bank where they would have camped.


That’s right. That is where I found my best Indian tools. I found a pestle, an enormous kitchen stone the size of a large dinner table with the mortar cut into it, a couple of excellent hide scrapers and plenty of tooled broken points. Just imagine an encampment with certain groups scattered about.


[b][/b]
Re: Arrowheads [Re: jeffbird] #7874695 06/19/20 02:18 AM
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,217
Double Naught Spy Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Happy
THF Trophy Hunter
Joined: May 2011
Posts: 8,217
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Originally Posted by don k
Originally Posted by jeffbird
Guys,

please document where you find things with GPS coordinates and a photo.

There is a huge amount of history of this State that is unknown and documenting finds like these can help fill in lots of unknown questions.

Thanks.

I don't think a lot of folks would want to give out that type of information. At least not me.



Yeah I would vote no on that as well


I did not say share it publicly, just document it for future reference.

Or just take a shovel and tear it up if that makes you feel better.




If not shared publicly, the the history you are talking about preserving is just as lost.


Hogdalorian - Si vis pacem cum sus, para bellum.
My Videos https://www.youtube.com/user/HornHillRange
Re: Arrowheads [Re: Reloder28] #7874698 06/19/20 02:20 AM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
S
stxranchman Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
Originally Posted by Reloder28
Originally Posted by Blank
Use your imagination, and try to envision what the flow path would have been back then. Our best picking has been almost 200 yards from the present river bed, but is up on a raised bank where they would have camped.


That’s right. That is where I found my best Indian tools. I found a pestle, an enormous kitchen stone the size of a large dinner table with the mortar cut into it, a couple of excellent hide scrapers and plenty of tooled broken points. Just imagine an encampment with certain groups scattered about.

I found this at a site in the bend of a large drainage in West Texas. There was an island like large hump about 100 yards from bend of the drainage/channel and these were on top of it. Lot of chipped and worked flint with a few broken points but I could tell it had been picked over in the past. The only reason these were there is the boulder they were ground into was huge and could not be removed.There was an area across the drainage from this spot with worked flint also and a few broken points. IME where the drainage main channel is today is not where it was years ago. It is possible that the channel was on the other side of the the little island from where it was today on that location in West Texas...just years and years of flooding will have rerouted it the main channel.
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]
[Linked Image]


Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?[Linked Image]
Re: Arrowheads [Re: Reloder28] #7874712 06/19/20 02:28 AM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,576
S
Sneaky Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,576
Originally Posted by Reloder28
Originally Posted by Blank
Use your imagination, and try to envision what the flow path would have been back then. Our best picking has been almost 200 yards from the present river bed, but is up on a raised bank where they would have camped.


That’s right. That is where I found my best Indian tools. I found a pestle, an enormous kitchen stone the size of a large dinner table with the mortar cut into it, a couple of excellent hide scrapers and plenty of tooled broken points. Just imagine an encampment with certain groups scattered about.


I’d love to see pictures of that.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874714 06/19/20 02:30 AM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,576
S
Sneaky Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,576
STX, what were the holes used for?

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Sneaky] #7874722 06/19/20 02:37 AM
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
S
stxranchman Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
Offline
Obie Juan Kenobi
S
Joined: Aug 2010
Posts: 60,296
Originally Posted by Sneaky
STX, what were the holes used for?

Grinding/mixing up grain and such...large mortar and pestle that were used for years and years. The pestles were removed by people in the past who looked for artifacts at that campsite. Those were in the huge boulder so they could not remove them.


Are idiots multiplying faster than normal people?[Linked Image]
Re: Arrowheads [Re: stxranchman] #7874732 06/19/20 02:51 AM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Creekrunner Offline OP
THF Celebrity
OP Offline
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Originally Posted by stxranchman
Originally Posted by Sneaky
STX, what were the holes used for?

Grinding/mixing up grain and such...large mortar and pestle that were used for years and years. The pestles were removed by people in the past who looked for artifacts at that campsite. Those were in the huge boulder so they could not remove them.


I've seen those holes on a ranch south of Marathon, again, on a large boulder. After all that work, I bet it still tasted like barf . Tough, tough people.


...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
Re: Arrowheads [Re: stxranchman] #7874762 06/19/20 03:29 AM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,576
S
Sneaky Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 29,576
Originally Posted by stxranchman
Originally Posted by Sneaky
STX, what were the holes used for?

Grinding/mixing up grain and such...large mortar and pestle that were used for years and years. The pestles were removed by people in the past who looked for artifacts at that campsite. Those were in the huge boulder so they could not remove them.


That’s pretty much what I suspected. Thanks. That sort of history amazes me.

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7874865 06/19/20 12:00 PM
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Creekrunner Offline OP
THF Celebrity
OP Offline
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 25,138
Thank y'all for the suggestions and help. I'll get to searching. farmer


...and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth. Gen. 1:28
Re: Arrowheads [Re: cos] #7875020 06/19/20 03:14 PM
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 183
D
driftwood257 Online Content
Woodsman
Online Content
Woodsman
D
Joined: May 2015
Posts: 183
You are right. found this one my first time looking. I have been hooked ever since. [Linked Image]

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7876037 06/20/20 04:42 PM
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,301
B
Blank Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
Offline
THF Trophy Hunter
B
Joined: Sep 2010
Posts: 6,301
Here's a sample of some from along the Nueces in Uvalde. Predominantly lighter in color, depends if they were chert, flint, or obsidian. Looking for them right after a rain helps, while earth is still darker. Darker trade points from different areas show up in dry dirt and dust really well. [Linked Image]

Re: Arrowheads [Re: Creekrunner] #7876732 06/21/20 03:44 PM
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 190
O
Okie Newton Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
O
Joined: Jan 2018
Posts: 190
About a perfect arrowhead as a guy could hope to find.

Page 1 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2024 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3