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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: bigbob_ftw] #7852739 05/27/20 05:18 PM
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Yeah, knee guy should fry. realmad flame


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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: TonyWornick] #7852745 05/27/20 05:20 PM
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Originally Posted by TonyWornick
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But why did there have to be riots?


there's always riots.


I know that, just not sure what they actually accomplish. Same as rioting after a sports team wins. I don't understand it.


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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: bigbob_ftw] #7852772 05/27/20 05:49 PM
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It’s unbelievably crazy/sad when the voice of reason is a civilian on the street who can only express his thoughts with extreme vulgarity. He is the only reasonable thought happening. He was giving them sound advice in spite of his delivery. That’s scary. Surely one of the officers was thinking, this ain’t right. This could go real bad. Surely, why would he/she not step up and say something. Is it an unwritten rule amongst LE to never question the actions of another LE? Is the idea to just go down with whomever makes the dumbest decision?


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Unless there is something that I didn't see the officer with the knee is guilty of third degree murder. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195


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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: bigbob_ftw] #7852811 05/27/20 06:15 PM
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Was he cuffed the whole time? I couldn’t make myself watch it all.


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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: stinkbelly] #7852812 05/27/20 06:16 PM
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Originally Posted by stinkbelly
I want to see the 10 minutes before this video. That sure looks bad. What lead up to this?


Does it really matter? Once the man was unconscious, the officer kept his knee on his neck for another three minutes.

I will answer that for you, it doesn't matter. The man was cuffed and unconscious, no need for further restraint.

The officer knew or should have known what he was doing could cause great bodily injury or death and he did it anyways.

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Originally Posted by Ktexas14
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I want to see the 10 minutes before this video. That sure looks bad. What lead up to this?


Does it really matter? Once the man was unconscious, the officer kept his knee on his neck for another three minutes.

I will answer that for you, it doesn't matter. The man was cuffed and unconscious, no need for further restraint.

The officer knew or should have known what he was doing could cause great bodily injury or death and he did it anyways.

What I put in bold and red fits the definition of 3rd degree murder in Minnesota.


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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: Ktexas14] #7852833 05/27/20 06:40 PM
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Evidently its reported there were 4 officers there. You can only see knee guy and a guy doing nothing but controlling a crowd that im surprised was not really out of control. It seems the other two were holding him down lower on his body maybe. You can see one at beginning. So 4 guys and hes cuffed and controlled yet still the knee and unresponsive. bang BTW, i dont see where color has to come into play on the right or wrong or innocence or guilt.


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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Typically a knee on the back of the neck doesn't restrict the airway. Just saying....


One knee with all of that guy's weight on it, yep definitely would not kill anybody.

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Originally Posted by Bullfrog
Was he cuffed the whole time? I couldn’t make myself watch it all.

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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: nsmike] #7852896 05/27/20 07:41 PM
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Originally Posted by nsmike
Unless there is something that I didn't see the officer with the knee is guilty of third degree murder. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195


"without intent", now that is the big question. Did you see the look on that cop's face?

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Does “not giving a dang” count for non-intent? confused2


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Re: Riots in Minnisota [Re: freerange] #7852905 05/27/20 07:50 PM
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Originally Posted by freerange
Evidently its reported there were 4 officers there. You can only see knee guy and a guy doing nothing but controlling a crowd that im surprised was not really out of control. It seems the other two were holding him down lower on his body maybe. You can see one at beginning. So 4 guys and hes cuffed and controlled yet still the knee and unresponsive. bang BTW, i dont see where color has to come into play on the right or wrong or innocence or guilt.


You would think out of the 4 officers someone would take charge and tap out the officer with the knee on the guys neck.

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That's a rough watch for sure. Entirely way over the top police brutality for sure. The guy didn't appear on video to be physically resisting arrest, maybe verbally but not physically. Thought the Asian American police officer was going to intervene early on but nope, just stood there standing guard. Really despicable lack of respect for life and humanity no matter what the skin color...

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Unless there is something that I didn't see the officer with the knee is guilty of third degree murder. https://www.revisor.mn.gov/statutes/cite/609.195


"without intent", now that is the big question. Did you see the look on that cop's face?

Does the face show intent or a depraved mind? A depraved mind fits the definition of 3rd degree murder intent fits 2nd degree murder.


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So could a citizen on the streets defend the guy in handcuffs from the officers? At what point can you defend yourself or someone else from officers?

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Originally Posted by stinkbelly
So could a citizen on the streets defend the guy in handcuffs from the officers? At what point can you defend yourself or someone else from officers?

Thats what i was wondering. I actually thought they showed a lot of restraint. Too much maybe. May be an over the top analogy but i dont see it too different than tieing the guy to a tree and beating him with a baseball bat. Until some of yall come on and offer logic to defend this action then i guess ill keep piling on. Somebody please post something in deer hunting so i dont keep coming back here.


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Originally Posted by stinkbelly
So could a citizen on the streets defend the guy in handcuffs from the officers? At what point can you defend yourself or someone else from officers?


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Originally Posted by freerange
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So could a citizen on the streets defend the guy in handcuffs from the officers? At what point can you defend yourself or someone else from officers?

Thats what i was wondering. I actually thought they showed a lot of restraint. Too much maybe. May be an over the top analogy but i dont see it too different than tieing the guy to a tree and beating him with a baseball bat. Until some of yall come on and offer logic to defend this action then i guess ill keep piling on. Somebody please post something in deer hunting so i dont keep coming back here.


I will not defend their actions. They should have at the very least responded to the agonal breathing and put the guy in a more survivable position. I'm predicting the ME will come back with the cause of death being a cardiac arrest from ExDS.

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So could a citizen on the streets defend the guy in handcuffs from the officers? At what point can you defend yourself or someone else from officers?

Thats what i was wondering. I actually thought they showed a lot of restraint. Too much maybe. May be an over the top analogy but i dont see it too different than tieing the guy to a tree and beating him with a baseball bat. Until some of yall come on and offer logic to defend this action then i guess ill keep piling on. Somebody please post something in deer hunting so i dont keep coming back here.


I will not defend their actions. They should have at the very least responded to the agonal breathing and put the guy in a more survivable position. I'm predicting the ME will come back with the cause of death being a cardiac arrest from ExDS.


This is what I think.... the knee to the back of the neck isn't the cause of death, as many people think.

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter

the knee to the back of the neck isn't the cause of death, as many people think.

So you think if he did not keep him down with the knee on his neck, he would have died anyway? I don't think so, this cop is going to jail I'm sure. He seemed like he was hard headed, and kept the knee pressure because the crowed was telling him to get off, I wounder if the crowed was not there, if he would have naturally let him back up. He had him cuffed, no reason to keep him pinned down with a knee.


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I wonder how much dope he swallowed before he got taken down.


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So could a citizen on the streets defend the guy in handcuffs from the officers? At what point can you defend yourself or someone else from officers?

Thats what i was wondering. I actually thought they showed a lot of restraint. Too much maybe. May be an over the top analogy but i dont see it too different than tieing the guy to a tree and beating him with a baseball bat. Until some of yall come on and offer logic to defend this action then i guess ill keep piling on. Somebody please post something in deer hunting so i dont keep coming back here.


I will not defend their actions. They should have at the very least responded to the agonal breathing and put the guy in a more survivable position. I'm predicting the ME will come back with the cause of death being a cardiac arrest from ExDS.



Agreed Sir

And yes, while this video looks bad, I thought ALL people were innocent till proven guilty.

And this mans death, while tragic, is not an excuse for rioting and putting other people’s lives in danger.

Why don’t we let the system do what it does, BEFORE we hang these officers.

JMHO

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I would imagine crowds around always heightens the tensions for officers a ton! You just don’t know when someone’s gonna bum rush you as you handle the 1st perp.


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