There was no discussing or negotiating it with you and I asked. You were already set in what you wanted and said so. There is no discussing things once you are set in your ways. It's the same way you argue on here with people. You're always right and everyone else is wrong, even if you are wrong. There's no point in discussing it further at that point. I moved on.

I have a 2400 sq ft covered patio for shooting (prone, bench )
1500 sq ft second deck with view all around

1/2" AR500 targets at 16, 25, 100, 300, 400 yds (target sizes : 4", 6", 8", 12" 18", 5x10' (4), 2x3' (2) )
and a separate spot for 1000+ yds

I wouldn't consider anything less than $200 / day,,,, but that's probably too much
for most people

I think that's why good ranges are getting fewer and fewer..... it costs a lot of money to invest in one

It came to you were causing me more work. More physical work, and more scheduling work. You aren't able to help. so a higher fee was the only way. And like I said, your words "name the price and I'll pay it". Well, I did, and anger followed. So, that was a B.S. statement. And again, bet it wouldn't ended up less money than the annual fee that was YOUR idea.

Good job doing this in front of everyone. Could've been avoided very easily.

Exactly. Lots of money and a hell of a lot of work.

If I were paid a dollar an hour for all the hours I've put in, lots of things would be paid off.

I guess I would view it as personal vs professional use/consumption. If you’re charging people for load development and don’t have a range (again I don’t know if you have your own range) I’d assume there’s a fee built into the price for range use during the development, same for if you were charging additional for dope to 800 yards.

I can see your reasoning and if the range didn’t know why you were there or what you were doing then there wouldn’t be a problem I guess. If you have other ranges that have no problem with it then that’s good. I’m just saying I can also see FiremanJG’s reasoning as well and if I were in either of your situations I would agree with and or understand the additional fee if I didn’t have my own range for the service I’m charging for.

One example that comes to mind is if I were to take tree/bush trimmings or leaves/grass to the city dump I can dump for free. If a landscaper comes to my house and trims my trees he pays a fee to take them to the same dump.

You buy and build a range on 70 acres, your word and your rules are set in stone, and that's what I would adhere to. Because you would be kind enough to "let me" use it. You'll never understand it living on a lot in the city, you just can't.

Chad is correct Jason has run off a lot of shooters. I doubt he can hold a tactical match again because he changes the rules to suit him in the middle of the match when he makes a mistake. if you are a friend of his he will bend the rules for you to help you if you're not a friend you're screwed. That is not a fair person. If you are a beginner Jason's is a great place to go. But if you start becoming too knowledgeable and know as much as he does now you are an outkast. Because nobody knows as much as Jason.

Who is on the hook for the liability of a round leaving JG's range, I am guessing it won't be the shooter, especially if they are unsupervised.

My view is much like the free classifieds on most forums, they are free to the average member but require commercial vendors to pay a fee to use them. The average guy going to JG's is either trying to improve his shooting or get his rifle dialed in without the nonsense found on the majority of other ranges in Texas, where as you are using it for additional income.

FTR: There is no way in hell I would allow anyone to use a range I built on my property unless I knew that person intimately. I can shoot safely out to 300yds at the farm, there are exactly 4 people on this forum I would allow to use it unsupervised.

Not true.

It's good to be the King. We all have our domain and for me it's my home and the little square it sets on. I don't read Chad, or Jason's comments for my daily affirmation that I'm good enough, smart enough and that by golly people like me ! (Stuart Smalley). They've both helped me, I've disagreed with both of them recently. One on Hornady Supreformance, the other on the Leupold VX-5HD. They didn't hate on me for it.

I'll close with a quote from that great civil rights spokesman, Rodney King, "Can't we all just get along".

Everybody join in now...'Kum ba ya, My Lord, Kum ba ya'...

Both have helped me, I hope both continue to help me. I am appreciative of their efforts.

I like it, but some just don't play well with others.

That is a can of worms you do not want to open

Let’s open it.

Let me be clear. There is a difference in being told you will pay certain fees based solely on what you are doing on the range and the greed of wanting a piece of my business (which was made perfectly clear). And those fees being non-negotiable and tied to one rifle per trip for load development that would raise the current price 7 to 10 times higher than what you are currently paying. The other option is discussing it and coming up with a solution that is beneficial for both parties to make money. Option 1 was the only option available and firmly communicated.

When the "friend hat" comes off and there is animosity, and someone tells you this is how it is, it's a take it or leave it business deal. At that point, it's no longer friends discussing a business deal and it's only a business deal. To me, it was a sad deal from someone I knew for a long time.

There hasn’t been this much excitement here since Bushler was banned.

VarmintSniper, please give us an example of a rule Jason changed in the middle of a match.

To my understanding another large part of the problem was Jason wanted too much money. Which was making it unaffordable for the average guy to go shoot a 22 match. $50 to $60 is too much, and then not getting anything back.

Last year's tactical match he was going to take a 0 on a stage because he made a mental error and got up and left the tower. He then proceeded to keep asking everybody repeatedly let's have a mulligan stage everybody can redo one stage. After his Non-Stop insistence, people acquiesced so he would quit whining. No one was wanting to redo the stage to accept him. The people not wanting to have a blow up gave him his way. He shot a 10 on the stage. And then one the whole match buy just a couple of points. He would not have done that for anyone else. He has never had a mulligan stage at any of his matches before.

I did have a talk with Jason before we partnered on the NTxR about having multiple (6+) matches a year out there, but lowering the price to around $30 to make it a little more affordable. He said it wasn't worth it to him for anything under $50, that was that, and I moved on. His land his range his rules. However, the change in venue was because of the construction of his house.

Hell yeah!

Yup. Not true. Mulligan wasn't my idea. I wasn't going to shoot the match. Pretty much everyone told me to.

And, we had a disagreement in the past, we talked about it, solved it, you came and shot. Everyone had a good time, we shook hands when you left. And this is the first I'm hearing you had a SECOND problem. Didn't call or text, just brought it up to me for the first time in an open forum. That's called chickenchit. When you grow up you'll realize that.

What the hell is wrong with you people? So much for me trying to share my place for people to have fun, and taking all the risk doing it. Any future match I have will be an invitational.

So look at it this way. 70 acres I worked for decades to get. Turned raw cow pasture into a place with a range, berms every 100 out to 800. Built fence, built a driveway, ran electical, built a 40'x60' shop, and now building a house.

Would anyone here risk all they have to allow people to shoot rifles on their place? Someone gets hurt or killed, I get sued and lose 30 years of work and hundreds of thousands of dollars.

All you whiners can kiss my azz, and never darken my entryway again. (Not you Kyle)