What was the original question.....

I never said I could still can run a 4.4’s in my forties. I did say I can still push press 225 in my 40’s. I said I “ran” as in college as a D1 football player as a direct reference to your college mile time, after you told me I didn’t have a clue about college athletics. It’s what I ran when I played in college.. With that said I still lift and could probably get close to my old core lifts if I specifically trained that way. Still squatting 400plus, bench in 300’s and clean jerk 225. My 40 I could probably still get break 5 with not to much effort, significantly less I just don’t have ability to get there with current ligaments issues and joints.

What I actually said, “was” easier for me to decrease my 40 time then then break a 6 min mile. and it is, 40 is fundamentals and mile plus is all aerobic exercise. You don’t go run 40’s everyday and expect to significantly reduce your 40, like you do for your mile.

Previously being JJ watts speed at 6” shorter and 60lbs lighter isn’t really all that impressive, but thanks for the compliment. Shows how clueless you are

Again If you think Peyton Manning is the epi center of Athletic especially amongst his peers, you have romantic view of NFL players, He is tall, slow and weak. He has an arm and a second to none read ability. He isn’t outrunning any on around a corner, up the middle it, etc. His athleticism isn’t beating anyone.


Also I mean this sincerely and have said this before you call someone a liar on a forum, you might want to meet them first...

By saying learning how, I’m referring to mechanics, just like learning how to run the shuttle, mechanics make the significant decrease in time. First time some one runs electric off a pad it’s terrible because it’s exposes their lack of mechanics and fundamentals.

I don’t disagree on the 40 but it’s what combines draw as a line item

60 yd test for baseball players is the same as the 40 yd for FB. Give me their 10 yard split and the last 30/50 yds are moot.
How do you test how fast someone is? Film does not lie. Good scouts don't rely on a 40/60 time to tell them if a kid can play.

Your point about the 40 and vert are true and accurate as each can be improved via many proven scientific methods and physiologic triggers. Elite level athletes do have elite level ability...and elite level genetics...and elite level work ethic.

Not arguing with you at all as I knew where you were going. The start is what gets most athletes. They may be explosive but have never been taught a track start to maximize potential in the initial 5 & 10 yard split or acceleration phase.

I was just clarifying, then the get to a college program that lasers out 5-10 yard increments and specifically train for those areas and it gets very interesting.

Mickelson also suffers from Psoriatic Arthritis and will turn 50 in 2 months. He never was a 'hard body' type but a highly skilled athlete none the less.

The list of 10 tests posted are good markers however even if an athlete can perform all 10 there are no hard and fast indicators they are an elite athlete. I have performed so many FMS/FMA (#3 in your list) on elite, professional, and Olympic athletes who failed but could perform at the highest level of their given sport. Their given off season prescription was geared toward areas of deficiency and potential markers for injury.

Absolutely and then they have a pro day and scouts from 32 teams and the Canadian league bring chairs and ladders to huddle with a handheld watch at the finish line.

I agree. I got paid to play baseball for a short 5 years. I saw elite level pitchers for example that won 20 games in the Big Leagues but couldn't even bunt a baseball, or get down to first base in under 5.5 seconds. Highly skilled as pitchers though, their records proved it, but very non-athletic. It proved to me that you can excel at your sport but still not be very athletic. The 10 levels of testing I linked show that there is a grading scale, and elite level athletes would score more toward the top, below avg ability folks towards the bottom. How would you know if you're winning or losing if you didn't keep score?

I think being an athlete and then being an all around athlete are two different things. Athletes can excel at a particular, singular function.

For example, the hand eye coordination needed for darts is extremely high level.

This is NOT a personal attack, but I'm curious as to what you know that the hundreds of professional scouts and coaches in professional football and baseball don't know?

Nothing personal taken. I don't know anything more or less than a scout or coach but I do and have been fortunate and blessed to have collaborated to help in the decision making process.

Let's put axe throwing and corn-hole in there too.

Then they don’t really want it.

"Let's put axe throwing and corn-hole in there too." Good - SIL #3 is excellent at corn-hole and he would look dashing in a Johnsonville Brats jersey.

So speed knitters and beer pong players are now athletes according to the OT brain trust.



Maybe the list of who isn't an athlete would now be shorter

Well...There is this:

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/steve-mclendon-ballet-is-harder-than-anything-else-i-do/

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https://dranandvora.com/dance-and-pro-athletes/

Webster says...

I'll leave this here and folks can think for themselves. Of the named athletes listed referencing the OP all qualify in my humble opinion....including the golfers.

Yes, he was always pudgy. Have you seen him lately? He has a six pack and his calves were the talk of golf for two weeks last year.

Being pudgy doesn’t mean you don’t have athletic ability, and that was my point originally. Like I said yesterday, 70% of the 10 things listed apply to golf. Power, fast twitch muscle, explosiveness, overall strength, body control all go into swinging a golf club. Are they as strong and fast as an edge rusher? They’re still athletic. That’s what I’m saying.

(And vertical is one facet of athleticism. Plenty of nba centers have had poor verticals historically.)

BOBO is the best athlete on THF and if you don’t agree he will beat you up

Nolan Ryan, because I wanted to be him.

you are still mad about that autograph signing and me leaving early before I signed your little league baseball jersey? Come on Baseballs not a sport anyway....

Somethings you just go to...

Let it go, let it go
Be one with the wind and sky
Let it go, let it go
You'll never see me cry
Here I stand, and here I'll stay
Let the sore elbow rage on

That’s as fine an answer as I’ve seen yet.

Hell, I still want to be him.