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Snakes and killing to end a threat #7807864 04/16/20 01:09 PM
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I noticed a photo that someone posted on social media of a king snake squeezing the life out of a copperhead. It made me think about how not killing snakes has become a new way of elevating oneself over those who kill every venomous/poisonous snake they see. It also made me think about why king snakes kill and eat copperheads and other snakes and question if it was just for a meal but also for the threat these snakes create towards them and their existence. All of this reminded me of a comment the president of one those animal rights groups once said about killing mosquitoes. As he put it, "It doesn't make sense to kill something that will likely never bite you." Maybe that's the logic being followed by those who refuse to kill venomous snakes, that they post no threat since they will likely never bite and sicken you. If so, maybe we should stop spraying and killing all these summertime mosquitoes.

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Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco


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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco


You forgot to mention the flag.


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Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat [Re: Texas Dan] #7807900 04/16/20 01:38 PM
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You got the good stuff... cool2


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Boobily doesn't kill 'em at his place. I think he is crazy.

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat [Re: Texas Dan] #7807908 04/16/20 01:42 PM
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Snakes have their place in the ecosystem.

If it is an immediate threat to you or you need food then fine. If not, let it be.

Most animals do not kill for sport nor do they have the power to reason.


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There are a couple of housewives near me who mow their yards. They look determined and beautiful on their zero turn mowers.

Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat [Re: NORML as can be] #7807909 04/16/20 01:43 PM
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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco



Originally Posted by NORML as can be
You got the good stuff... cool2
It must be laced with something to come up with that bs


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Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat [Re: Texas Dan] #7807911 04/16/20 01:44 PM
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I only sentence the rattlers to death. Can't imagine how I would feel if one got away and provided anything other than a dry bite to one of my friends.

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Originally Posted by Hudbone
I only sentence the rattlers to death. Can't imagine how I would feel if one got away and provided anything other than a dry bite to one of my friends.


Just a question, why only Rattlers?


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Originally Posted by pegasaurus
Most animals do not kill for sport nor do they have the power to reason.


Male lions, bears, and other animals will often attack and kill the offspring of their competitors with no intention of eating them. IMO, this borders on actions taken through reasoning.

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What if all mosquitoes carried malaria, yes they are not likely to bite you, but if they did it'd be much worse and people would want as many of them dead as possible. I have the same rationale with rattle snakes. just avoid as many potential bad outcomes as possible. All non-venomous snakes get a pass.

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Not sure I'm following why anyone thinks mosquitoes won't bite them? If they're buzzing around me, I think they're there to try to bite me.

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Re: Snakes and killing to end a threat [Re: Texas Dan] #7807971 04/16/20 02:39 PM
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Not worried about non-venomous snakes such as indigos, kings, chickens and such.

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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco


You forgot to mention the flag.


He also forgot to mention how trash can dan feels we should not have access to certain types of firearms. Trash can dan prefers Uncle Sam to decide what is best for us. Trash can dan is considering we not kill disease spreading mosquitoes.

Mr. trash can, how do you feel about invasive hogs?

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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by pegasaurus
Most animals do not kill for sport nor do they have the power to reason.


Male lions, bears, and other animals will often attack and kill the offspring of their competitors with no intention of eating them. IMO, this borders on actions taken through reasoning.



That is not sport that is for mating and survival of their genes.
It not reasoning either. It is instinct for them to kill offspring that is not theirs.


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There are a couple of housewives near me who mow their yards. They look determined and beautiful on their zero turn mowers.

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Deer don’t bite.

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Snakes get a pass from me unless they are right next to the house. Snakes do what nature intends them to do. No matter how poisonous the snake is in North America they can only strike a little less than half their body length. So if you give them 5 ft you are safe and it is pretty easy to maintain that distance. They are part of nature and like all wildlife have a purpose and I for one do not kill them simply for the sake of killing them. Besides I think they are kind of cool.


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Yeah and I'll never forget when Shotsie and Leah were outside the house and started yelling when they had a less than five foot surprise encounter with a buzzy tail. Shooting the ones away from the house gives the ones near home somewhere else to go.

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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Brilliant post.....NOT.... loco


Yep, but it is typical.

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Venomous snakes get the axe.

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all snakes give me the quibee geebies ... poisonous or not ... poisonous usually go bye bye (except timber rattlers), non get a pass


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Originally Posted by Huntmaster
Deer don’t bite.


No, not typically, but can. Of course, they only have lower front teeth for the job. They will gore the hell out of you and batter you to the ground with their hooves. People get "attacked" by deer every year and on average, 1-2 people die each year from deer attacks, right up there with kills by mountain lions.

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Originally Posted by Huntmaster
Deer don’t bite.


Ohhhhh sooooooo very wrong...…

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I had this idea that I was going to rope a deer, put it in
a stall, feed it up on corn for a couple of weeks, then kill it and eat it.

The first step in this adventure was getting a deer. I figured
that, since they congregate at my cattle feeder and do not seem to have much fear
of me when we are there (a bold one will sometimes come right up and sniff at the
bags of feed while I am in the back of the truck not 4 feet away), it should not
be difficult to rope one, get up to it and toss a bag over its head (to calm it
down) then hog tie it and transport it home.

I filled the cattle feeder then hid down at the end with
my rope.

The cattle, having seen the roping thing before, stayed well
back. They were not having any of it.

After about 20 minutes, my deer showed up -- 3 of them. I
picked out.. ..a likely looking one, stepped out from the end of the feeder, and
threw.. My rope. The deer just stood there and stared at me.

I wrapped the rope around my waist and twisted the end so
I would have a good hold. The deer still just stood and stared at me, but you could
tell it was mildly concerned about the whole rope situation.

I took a step towards it...it took a step away. I put a little
tension on the rope and then received an education.

The first thing that I learned is that, while a deer may
just stand there looking at you funny while you rope it, they are spurred to action
when you start pulling on that rope.

That deer EXPLODED.

The second thing I learned is that pound for pound, a deer
is a LOT stronger than a cow or a colt. A cow or a colt in that weight range I could
fight down with a rope and with some dignity.

A deer-- no chance.

That thing ran and bucked and twisted and pulled. There was
no controlling it and certainly no getting close to it. As it jerked me off my feet
and started dragging me across the ground, it occurred to me that having a deer
on a rope was not nearly as good an idea as I had originally imagined.

The only upside is that they do not have as much stamina
as many other animals.


A brief 10 minutes later, it was tired and not nearly as
quick to jerk me off my feet and drag me when I managed to get up. It took me
a few minutes to realize this, since I was mostly blinded by the blood flowing out
of the big gash in my head. At that point, I had lost my taste for corn-fed
venison. I just wanted to get that devil creature off the end of that rope.

I figured if I just let it go with the rope hanging around
its neck, it would likely die slow and painfully somewhere. At the time, there was
no love at all between me and that deer. At that moment, I hated the thing,
and I would venture a guess that the feeling was mutual.

Despite the gash in my head and the several large knots where
I had cleverly arrested the deer's momentum by bracing my head against various large
rocks as it dragged me across the ground, I could still think clearly enough to
recognize that there was a small chance that I shared some tiny amount of responsibility
for the situation we were in, so I didn't want the deer to have to suffer a slow
death, so I managed to get it lined back up in between my truck and the feeder -
a little trap I had set before hand...kind of like a squeeze chute.

I got it to back in there and I started moving up so I could
get my rope back.

Did you know that deer bite? They do! I never in a million
years would have thought that a deer would bite somebody, so I was very surprised
when I reached up there to grab that rope and the deer grabbed hold of my wrist.

Now, when a deer bites you, it is not like being bit by a
horse where they just bite you and then let go. A deer bites you and shakes
its head --almost like a pit bull. They bite HARD and it hurts.

The proper thing to do when a deer bites you is probably
to freeze and draw back slowly. I tried screaming and shaking instead. My method
was ineffective. It seems like the deer was biting and shaking for several minutes,
but it was likely only several seconds.

I, being smarter than a deer (though you may be questioning
that claim by now), tricked it.

While I kept it busy tearing the tendons out of my right
arm, I reached up with my left hand and pulled that rope loose. That was when
I got my final lesson in deer behavior for the day.

Deer will strike at you with their front feet. They rear
right up on their back feet and strike right about head and shoulder level, and
their hooves are surprisingly sharp. I learned a long time ago that, when an animal
-- like a horse --strikes at you with their hooves and you can't get away easily,
the best thing to do is try to make a loud noise and make an aggressive move towards
the animal.
This will usually cause them to back down a bit so you
can escape.

This was not a horse. This was a deer, so obviously, such
trickery would not work. In the course of a millisecond, I devised a different
strategy. I screamed like a woman and tried to turn and run.

The reason I had always been told NOT to try to turn and
run from a horse that paws at you is that there is a good chance that it will
hit you in the back of the head. Deer may not be so different from horses after
all, besides being twice as strong and 3 times as evil, because the second
I turned to run, it hit me right in the back of the head and knocked me down.

Now, when a deer paws at you and knocks you down, it does
not immediately leave. I suspect it does not recognize that the danger
has passed. What they do instead is paw your back and jump up and down on you
while you are laying there crying like a little girl and covering your head.

I finally managed to crawl under the truck and the deer went
away.

So now I know why when people go deer hunting they bring
a rifle with a scope to sort of even the odds.



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Any Copperhead around the house has a very short lifespan. Out where we hunt Mr. No Shoulders will usually die if they are on my walk path. Out in the brush looking for a downed deer, we will usually part ways peacefully if it allows.

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