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Core of Engineers Possibly Allowing LTC Carry #7806283 04/14/20 11:08 PM
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USACE has published proposed revisions to 36CFR327.13 (firearms). Time to comment!

Link here https://www.usace.army.mil/Media/Ne...uest-for-comment-on-proposed-revision-t/

Comments are updated each night at 23:59.


Exact docket info here: https://www.regulations.gov/document?D=COE-2018-0008-0001

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Good stuff....


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Re: Core of Engineers Possibly Allowing LTC Carry [Re: Priesttherunner] #7806649 04/15/20 12:10 PM
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Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.

Re: Core of Engineers Possibly Allowing LTC Carry [Re: RedRanger] #7806940 04/15/20 04:36 PM
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Originally Posted by RedRanger
Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.

thanks , I did not know this


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Thank you for the heads up on this. I commented and am trying to get the word out to popular gun channels on social media.

Re: Core of Engineers Possibly Allowing LTC Carry [Re: Priesttherunner] #7809377 04/17/20 05:38 PM
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It's....Corp of Engineers not Core of Engineers


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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
It's....Corp of Engineers not Core of Engineers


Well, technically it’s Corps of Engineers. smile

Re: Core of Engineers Possibly Allowing LTC Carry [Re: Priesttherunner] #7809412 04/17/20 06:04 PM
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...and it’s pronounced ‘core’ not ‘corpse’.


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Originally Posted by Cast
...and it’s pronounced ‘core’ not ‘corpse’.



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Originally Posted by TXGUNNER308
It's....Corp of Engineers not Core of Engineers


Corp. is short for Corporal or Corporation
Core as a noun is the word for the center of something.
Core as a verb is to take the center out of something
Corps is a body of two or more divisions and pronounced in the French way "Kohr"
Plural of Corps is also Corps
Corpse is a dead body


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Since we're being grammar nazi's, "license to carry, carry"?


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Originally Posted by RedRanger
Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.

Because it is USACE fee-owned (Federal) property. Federal rules apply, just same at Jim Chapman/Cooper Lake - TPWD is licensed to manage the land and parks, but Federal rules are still applicable.

And it is the US Army Corps of Engineers - thank you very much!


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Originally Posted by Couzin
Originally Posted by RedRanger
Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.

Because it is USACE fee-owned (Federal) property. Federal rules apply, just same at Jim Chapman/Cooper Lake - TPWD is licensed to manage the land and parks, but Federal rules are still applicable.

And it is the US Army Corps of Engineers - thank you very much!


And the US Army Corps of Engineers suck. They have done everything they can to restrict people from being on the property owned by the citizens of the United States. They merely manage it, and do a poor job of it.

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Originally Posted by Couzin
Originally Posted by RedRanger
Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.

Because it is USACE fee-owned (Federal) property. Federal rules apply, just same at Jim Chapman/Cooper Lake - TPWD is licensed to manage the land and parks, but Federal rules are still applicable.

And it is the US Army Corps of Engineers - thank you very much!


It's a grey area, and most GW don't give two Chits if you carry on Corp lake from what I have seen

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Originally Posted by Tin Head
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Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.

thanks , I did not know this


Hopefully he no longer works the lake, this was a few years ago during 4th of July.

If you do get asked if your carrying on Lewisville, I wouldn't tell them

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Originally Posted by RedRanger
If you do get asked if your carrying on Lewisville, I wouldn't tell them


If they run your DL, they can see you have an LTC. By law, you are supposed to tell them you are carrying if you are. Do what works for you, I’m just pointing out that you might get caught in a lie somewhere and risk having a bigger problem.

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May 8th update:

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Licensed gun owners in Texas may soon be able to carry at Lewisville Lake and other Army Corps of Engineers reservoirs

WASHINGTON — Firearm owners with a license to carry a handgun may soon be able to wear their pistols at Lewisville Lake, Lake Ray Roberts and a number of other popular Texas reservoirs that currently prohibit those weapons.
The U.S. Army Corps of Engineers, which owns those lakes, has proposed a rule change to allow “properly licensed individuals to bring firearms” onto the agency’s vast recreational properties in the U.S., so long as those gun owners follow the applicable laws of the state in question.

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https://www.dallasnews.com/news/pol...other-army-corps-of-engineer-reservoirs/

Input sought
The corps is seeking input from the public on the proposed change through mid-June. Those interested can send an email to firearms@usace.army.mil or register an opinion through regulations.gov at the docket number COE-2018-0008.


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What lakes were you not supposed to carry on? Asking for a friend....


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Originally Posted by 2Beez
What lakes were you not supposed to carry on? Asking for a friend....


Army Corps of Engineers managed lakes. Yes, that includes Texoma.

When we decided to move to a lake front home, we specifically avoided Corps lakes because of the difficulty getting permission to build a private boat dock at your home. I have heard that they are beginning to issue private dock permits again.


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Originally Posted by GNTX
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If you do get asked if your carrying on Lewisville, I wouldn't tell them


If they run your DL, they can see you have an LTC. By law, you are supposed to tell them you are carrying if you are. Do what works for you, I’m just pointing out that you might get caught in a lie somewhere and risk having a bigger problem.


I have not told them I was carrying when pulled over in my car, he said I was suppose to tell him.

I told him since now of days you don't have to have a CHL/LTC to carry in car I thought the rule no longer existed.

Just because one has a LTC doesn't mean one is carrying, I quit carrying on Lewisville and Grapevine

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We "Bought" a COE frontage piece of property at Lake Texoma that had had a BoatHouse permit 1st granted in the '50's in 1998, after winning an Auction and took over a year + with having to go to Court to have the property's Legal Title transferred....some thing the previous 2 Buyers had not done, when there was no clear Title to the either the house or the boathouse property. Cluster of all clusters for sure. The House and "boathouse" were a disaster and total trash....the roof of the house had fallen in and the boathouse had turned over and the COE was demanding action and had already red tagged the Permit. Found out later that none of these issues were uncommon at Texoma in the older sections on the Texas side in Grayson County. There were (are?? still) 55 gallon drum septic systems in one area I know of where a buddy had had a lake house not far from GranPappy's Marina until he got another divorce. We finally got to set up the house in 2000 after 2 years of prep ( everything from the "septic system to ???) but got to live at the Lake House fulltime for 11 years while I had multiple health issues resolved, until 2016 when we moved to Palestine. We still miss Texoma and always will ...but would NEVER ...NOT EVER buy another property on any COE lake in Texas

Case in Point ,,,,Found out years after the house was set up that Grayson County had "inherited" a gravel access road from the COE that crossed their property, and GC's Precinct Commissioner refused to acknowledge the COE's transferring the right of way action and maintain it. After that AH was voted out of office we finally got a gravel road only to have it flooded to within 30 feet of my house that was 50' above spillway level by the COE's mis management of the Flood of 2013. More than once I questioned my sanity in those years...but the property was where we had decided to plan our retirement...after looking for 3 years from PK to the west to Bob Sandlin to the east and as far south as Richland Chambers for something that fit our Retirement Master Plan $$'s Always wanted and dreamed of Lakefront somewhere.... and ours was with a front porch mile view across Little Mineral to the beach area south of GranPappy's, with a sand beach in front of us, and the boathouse in the creek, 10 minutes from the Lighthouse Gas dock & ramps....and less than 2 hours in Friday Nite Rush Hour from the house in Carrollton. Was Gonna be Heaven....

Back to the LTC on COE subject of the thread...At Texoma IMO JMHO is that it should be mandatory for ALL the "legal" local residents to have a CHL, every man, woman & child over the legal age requirement ...Lot's of out of state owners, enough to surprise me - mostly Okie's, felons & non-legal's in Grayson County ....'cause GC's Sherrif's Dept is NOT GONNA RESPOND to ANY 911 calls if the Dispatchers know that the call originated at Lake Texoma. BTDT and had a conversation that ended one time with a GCSO Officer offering to arrest me for making a "terroristic threat " when I wanted an illegal bonfire extinguished less than 100 yards from my house 1/2 way the waters edge in hyper dry fall weather with a County Burn Ban in effect, when the Officer refused to set foot on COE Property and I "suggested" that I could "handle" it myself.

Buy another house adjacent to COE Property... I Doan't think it would a good idea in any COE lake in Texas I am familiar with, and I would most definitely support a CHL for each and every legal holder of age, to the point of making it legal requirement for ownership of any habitable property at Lake Texoma.
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Originally Posted by RedRanger
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If you do get asked if your carrying on Lewisville, I wouldn't tell them


If they run your DL, they can see you have an LTC. By law, you are supposed to tell them you are carrying if you are. Do what works for you, I’m just pointing out that you might get caught in a lie somewhere and risk having a bigger problem.


I have not told them I was carrying when pulled over in my car, he said I was suppose to tell him.

I told him since now of days you don't have to have a CHL/LTC to carry in car I thought the rule no longer existed.

Just because one has a LTC doesn't mean one is carrying, I quit carrying on Lewisville and Grapevine
From the lady that heads DPS LTC department I was told if you have LTC you must declare when stopped, if no LTC you do not need to declare, but must tell if asked about firearm. This was a few years ago, don't think rules changed.

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Originally Posted by RedRanger
Stupid you cant carry now,

The Texas Game Warden will try to bust you on Lake Lewisville for carrying a gun on the lake.


Same for Lake Grapevine.

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If you do get asked if your carrying on Lewisville, I wouldn't tell them


If they run your DL, they can see you have an LTC. By law, you are supposed to tell them you are carrying if you are. Do what works for you, I’m just pointing out that you might get caught in a lie somewhere and risk having a bigger problem.


I have not told them I was carrying when pulled over in my car, he said I was suppose to tell him.

I told him since now of days you don't have to have a CHL/LTC to carry in car I thought the rule no longer existed.

Just because one has a LTC doesn't mean one is carrying, I quit carrying on Lewisville and Grapevine
From the lady that heads DPS LTC department I was told if you have LTC you must declare when stopped, if no LTC you do not need to declare, but must tell if asked about firearm. This was a few years ago, don't think rules changed.


Carrying in the car is a grey area when you have a LTC. Since you are allowed to travel with a pistol as long as it is concealed, technically you aren’t carrying under your LTC unless you are open carrying. Outside the car you have to inform of course. My experience is showing your LTC even when not carrying is a good faith move that most of the time will get you excellent results with LEOs. FWIW every time I’ve presented my LTC an officer they handed it right back to me and didn’t even ask if I was carrying,

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