Send them to China, I think they are only allowed 1 baby a piece.

It can probably be done, but like with poison there's a high likelihood of affecting other species.

Yes Judd, you did nail it for sure.

How about we consider killing less of the natural predators?

People?

I am a land owner with hogs
I set out feeders to attract hogs
I do hog eradication on another neighbors land

If I want them gone I d hunt them everyday
But I don’t , I enjoyed shooting and eating them
They make high protein feed for my chickens

If we [state] want them gone
Just put $100 bounty on each
They ll go the way of the Dodo birds

We don’t have hog problems
We have a lazy problem

I spewed soda out my nose reading this.

They don’t really say how they managed to do it.... as in specific stats attributable to each control method

This just in - The State of Colorado has officially declared hogs successfully eradicated :

https://cpw.state.co.us/aboutus/Pag...ies+Information+Center+-+What%27s+New%29

Methods of Control :

https://www.aphis.usda.gov/aphis/ou...ivities/feral-swine/fs-manage-the-damage

Maybe he could have made a few bucks, but it would take eons before he had hunters kill 300 hogs. Its great mailbox money for a grandma with a few 100 acres of family land and someone to run it for her, as a means of extermination it is pizzin into a gail force wind.

This - and this is a working cattle ranch. Understand the 15k suggestion, but in this case, he is not interested in letting a bunch of hunters onto his place.

And i am not interested in paying for his hog problem. seems we are at an impasse :-)

Sorry, but it is not "his" hog problem - the problem is greater than any single land owner, which is why I brought this case up initially. If eradication is the goal, Rancher A can open his place up to every swinging richard in the world, but if neighbor Rancher B continues to have hogs, soon enough the population is back to square 1. To your point, I'm anti big government/taxes, but in the case of hogs, there is going to have to be a collective effort to eradicate them - simply hunting them is not the answer.

You had me at drone

If I am rancher B, i am keeping my pigs anyway. That is a fast reproducing cash crop, i can't help it if others don't want to use hogs to their advantage, seems silly not to. So we are still at an impasse, and i still am not willing paying for someone else's land management programs. I mean, i already get to, but I damn sure am not lobbying for more

How would you target pigs only without human intervention to deliver the dose directly to them and only them?

Easy peasy... sounds like a job for a trunk monkey.




Charlie

Good idea Popper, but Judd hit the target along with RJH1. The government is solely purposed and efficient at nothing save waging war (if you keep the politics out). I'll quote Jeff Goldblum from Jurassic Park, with my own twist..."A free market always finds a way". Today the free market is saying to leave a few behind - its good for business.

If he wants them gone he can make them leave. Hogs are not stupid critters, put pressure on them and they will go where there isn’t pressure. They will come back and he’ll have to pressure them again...it will be a continuous cycle but it can be done.

Again, he doesn’t sound like he wants them gone that bad...he just wants to bitch. I’m good with that but the last thing we need is another “program” funded by the government.

I'm butt deep in hogs on my little 133 acre place. I don't live there.

We've tried hunting them but they are mostly nocturnal. We're not. We've tried trapping but have never even caught one. Tried multiple times.

They breed faster than people on welfare..

Poison? No thanks. I'm not mad at buzzards or any small game animal that might feed on a dead hog.

I have no interest in letting people with guns, that I don't know, come on my property.

I also don't consider it a government problem. I've never seen government solve any problem.

Answer? I don't have one.

I hunt on a place in East Texas with one other in exchange for hog control. We can hunt deer and other stuff and have use of a fun rifle range, but it is contingent on hog control. At least one of us tries to make a hog hunt at least once a month or when we are called up about hogs on the property or neighbor's property causing damage. One or more hogs are killed on every trip and it does usually move most the hogs off the area for about a month after. We have work days where we make repairs on the land or farm equipment, tractor work, helping neighbors, etc. It is work to build a relationship with the property owner. When I notify the landowner I will be on the property, he almost always has something on the property, neighbor's property, or vacant house nearby that he wants me to check on, fix, or take care of. The problem is we have gone through three different hunters now to add to the team, and offered the spot to others that never showed up. Hopefully our newest guy will work out. We have to kill hogs to keep the hunting rights and the extra hunter would help. Every time we got a new guy, they just stopped going, either didn't have the time, not willing to put in the work, or not agreeing with the terms, or where, when, and what they can hunt. This even though we have provided a stand, feeder, and hunting rights for free. As much trouble as we have had adding a third person that will go often enough and that we can trust not to screw up a good thing, I could see how it would not take long for a landowner to tire of same. I am convinced most hunters would rather pay a lease fee to be able to make their own rules and not be tied to working with a landowner.

I think this is an interesting proposal, but I think we may be placing too much faith in a large number of hunters to operate at a very high level and police ourselves to a very high degree. My experience over decades is that there are a lot of solid, conscientious hunters that I wouldn't mind operating in my ranch under certain circumstances, but also a LOT of yahoos that "hunt" under the influence, shoot indiscriminately and are disrespectful of other's land and property, who I wouldn't want on my property or even on the next one. The biggest problem in this proposal with be separating/filtering the two pools to ensure you are engaging primarily the first group.

That said, I believe strongly that poison is not the answer, I think the problem lies in the reality that most land in our state is private and thus subject to a dizzying array of rules/regulations, vs. other states where it's a little easier to implement a broader program because of the higher proportion of public lands. We have tens of thousands (maybe hundreds of thousands) of hunters who could put a bigger dent on the feral hog population if efforts are strongly coordinated, but that will be tough without having land owners on board and I can see how that would be difficult to secure/coordinate. Maybe you can get large ranch owners in South or West Texas to coordinate efforts, but think of all the smaller landowners all over the rest of the state.... ugh!

Dfwroadkill touched on it. USDAs APHIS started developing a new version of the sodium nitrate delivery method in 2017; a method geared more specifically towards hogs. Yields from that trial reported in 2018 resulted in a FONSI (Finding of No Significant Impact) on peripheral wildlife.

USDA got experimental use permit approval from EPA in Nov 2019 to field test the improved method on controlled sounder groups on specific tracts in Texas and Alabama. So it’s being deployed in the next stage of trials as we speak. The EPA is projected to approve conditional use permits for private application by 2021.

It’s funny to me they call it “toxic baiting” not poisoning.

I think a deployed sterilization method should be the next thing we develop.

Yet you seem to be complaining because someone won't let you hunt for free.

The coumadin warfarin showed promise. It's available as a large rodent control but it's still too expensive to just put out for dozens and dozens of hogs. But I'd let them do trials on my place, anything to git 'em gone. They tear up about an acre or two every other night or so moving when pressure increases to just come back when you slack off. Looking to start allowing thermal guys mixed with cows on this 150 acres to see if it helps.

There were all sorts of issues with the Warfarin product including the fact that their own study demonstrated that it didn't work. Scimetrics, the company that wanted to sell the product, was owned by a husband and wife. The lab that performed the studies was owned by the same husband and wife with basically reversed roles. You think maybe the results of the study might have been tilted? LOL... Birds of prey such as turkey buzzards were particularly susceptible. You want to destroy the ecosystem?

The rodent control product is not the same as the product that was to be used for hogs. Different dosage levels.

Be very careful about who you allow on your property, especially to eliminate hogs around cows. Having thermals does not mean they have a clue about what they are doing. Have you tried trapping?