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9mm for grizzly protection #7739154 02/06/20 03:08 PM
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I probably still would not choose my p938 for bear, but...https://www.wideopenspaces.com/alaska-man-kills-charging-brown-bear-with-a-9mm-pistol/


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Wouldn't be my first pick either, but just adds more support for the placement of the shot may be the most important part.


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Btw, Phil Shoemaker isn’t just “some guy”, he’s one of the most experienced and respected bear guides in Alaska.


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Originally Posted by syncerus
Btw, Phil Shoemaker isn’t just “some guy”, he’s one of the most experienced and respected bear guides in Alaska.


Curious why he chose 9mm?

Glad they were all unharmed....


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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
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Btw, Phil Shoemaker isn’t just “some guy”, he’s one of the most experienced and respected bear guides in Alaska.


Curious why he chose 9mm?

Glad they were all unharmed....


Accuracy, weight, and effectiveness

Hard cast +p 9mm is wildly used


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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Btw, Phil Shoemaker isn’t just “some guy”, he’s one of the most experienced and respected bear guides in Alaska.


Curious why he chose 9mm?

Glad they were all unharmed....


Accuracy, weight, and effectiveness

Hard cast +p 9mm is wildly used


Thanks...had no idea... up


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wow, lucky is all I will say!

there used to be a big privately owned sporting goods store in Waco, on Valley Mills drive (if I remember correctly) that I used to frequent while in college (late 1970s). I recall one day I was admiring a full body mount brown bear that was standing with paws raised, weird spots in the center of it's chest (like bad taxidermy). An old guy walked up to me and started a conversation. Come to find out, it was the owner of the store and he was the one that shot the bear. He told me of the story as he was elk hunting when he came across the bear about 30 yards from him, who turned and started approaching him. He shouldered his Winchester 30-30 and when the bear was only about 10 yards away, it came up on its high legs, paws out like the mount. of course I was eeks333 as he continued saying he started shooting at the center of its chest (explained the bad spots) as the bear continued towards him. He knew he was getting low on ammo and shoved the end of the barrel in the bears mouth and pulled the trigger as he turned to run. The bear came crashing down on top of him and he just knew he was fixing to be dead. But as it turned out, the last bullet went thru the roof of its mouth into its brain and he died, causing him to fall on top of the man. He said he got the bear mounted in the last position he saw it before trying to run. I was like WOW!!! He went on to say that was the last time he ever carried a 30-30 into bear country as all the rounds to the chest didn't penetrate the skin and were all balled up in the fur.


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Re: 9mm for grizzly protection [Re: SnakeWrangler] #7739241 02/06/20 04:40 PM
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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
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Originally Posted by syncerus
Btw, Phil Shoemaker isn’t just “some guy”, he’s one of the most experienced and respected bear guides in Alaska.


Curious why he chose 9mm?

Glad they were all unharmed....


Accuracy, weight, and effectiveness

Hard cast +p 9mm is wildly used


Thanks...had no idea... up


Only way you “drop” a bear is same way you “drop” a deer, rupture the central nervous systems communication ability, next way is to cause a stoppage /pressure loss of oxygenated blood in circulatory system

Essentially if you arent familiar with drawing and shooting the weapon you are carrying then it doesn’t matter what you carry caliber wise.

To each their own. Lower 48 bear country I rotate between 9 and 357sig, both hard cast


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Personally i would want a 10mm.

I love my 9mm and it’s better than nothing, it it’s not my first choice.

I have not encountered a grizzly yet but I have black bear and I would want a bigger gun if I had the option

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I always wonder about this. Read about many who carry a 44 mag or 454 casull for bear defense but think anything less than a 30 can magnum rifle is too small for bears.


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Personally i would want a 10mm.

I love my 9mm and it’s better than nothing, it it’s not my first choice.

I have not encountered a grizzly yet but I have black bear and I would want a bigger gun if I had the option


After killing a ton of big hogs with hard cast and Leigh high 357sig and +p+ 9mm, I decided I’d be alright, especially since I would never carry a 10mm out side of 10 days a year.

I Think a big heavy 10mm pistol is a false sense of security if you seldom carry or shoot it.

Just my opinion.


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Originally Posted by redchevy
I always wonder about this. Read about many who carry a 44 mag or 454 casull for bear defense but think anything less than a 30 can magnum rifle is too small for bears.



Any pistol round is far inferior to a rifle cartridge. Most bear guides carry 12 gauges with slugs or lever action 45-70 marlins.

It’s about weight and pack ability.

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What about a shotgun? More like this than a bird gun....
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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
What about a shotgun? More like this than a bird gun....
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Every year it seams a bird hunter in Alaska or 48 kills one with bird shot.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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Personally i would want a 10mm.

I love my 9mm and it’s better than nothing, it it’s not my first choice.

I have not encountered a grizzly yet but I have black bear and I would want a bigger gun if I had the option


After killing a ton of big hogs with hard cast and Leigh high 357sig and +p+ 9mm, I decided I’d be alright, especially since I would never carry a 10mm out side of 10 days a year.

I Think a big heavy 10mm pistol is a false sense of security if you seldom carry or shoot it.

Just my opinion.



My buddy had a glock 10 mm that was pretty easy to shoot. Shot a few hogs with it and they went straight down


As tough as a hog is they are not bears

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Well 33 years and finally had to shoot one bear. Seems a lot like a normal carry gun, better to have what you will carry than something too big that you leave at camp etc. Nobody is probably going to carry a shotgun/rifle consistently while fishing or camping, but a standard size pistol in and OWB is pretty unnoticeable. After looking at these type things I think i would feel fine with my full power hardcast 40 loads, they match many 10mm loads, gust in a smaller package. 10mm/45 super and apparently the right 9mm will would be ok too. Cool article

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With a full metal jacket and the shot hitting in the brain, it should do the job but if the bullet doesn't hit the brain- not so great. We live in a world of heart/lung shots and a lot of folks automatically aim thusly.

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Originally Posted by syncerus

So, it seems that carrying a 9mm w/ hard cast is more common than I would have thought. I can see the thought process of carry what you are familiar with. What you can shoot well.


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Originally Posted by PMK
wow, lucky is all I will say!

there used to be a big privately owned sporting goods store in Waco, on Valley Mills drive (if I remember correctly) that I used to frequent while in college (late 1970s). I recall one day I was admiring a full body mount brown bear that was standing with paws raised, weird spots in the center of it's chest (like bad taxidermy). An old guy walked up to me and started a conversation. Come to find out, it was the owner of the store and he was the one that shot the bear. He told me of the story as he was elk hunting when he came across the bear about 30 yards from him, who turned and started approaching him. He shouldered his Winchester 30-30 and when the bear was only about 10 yards away, it came up on its high legs, paws out like the mount. of course I was eeks333 as he continued saying he started shooting at the center of its chest (explained the bad spots) as the bear continued towards him. He knew he was getting low on ammo and shoved the end of the barrel in the bears mouth and pulled the trigger as he turned to run. The bear came crashing down on top of him and he just knew he was fixing to be dead. But as it turned out, the last bullet went thru the roof of its mouth into its brain and he died, causing him to fall on top of the man. He said he got the bear mounted in the last position he saw it before trying to run. I was like WOW!!! He went on to say that was the last time he ever carried a 30-30 into bear country as all the rounds to the chest didn't penetrate the skin and were all balled up in the fur.
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wow, lucky is all I will say!

there used to be a big privately owned sporting goods store in Waco, on Valley Mills drive (if I remember correctly) that I used to frequent while in college (late 1970s). I recall one day I was admiring a full body mount brown bear that was standing with paws raised, weird spots in the center of it's chest (like bad taxidermy). An old guy walked up to me and started a conversation. Come to find out, it was the owner of the store and he was the one that shot the bear. He told me of the story as he was elk hunting when he came across the bear about 30 yards from him, who turned and started approaching him. He shouldered his Winchester 30-30 and when the bear was only about 10 yards away, it came up on its high legs, paws out like the mount. of course I was eeks333 as he continued saying he started shooting at the center of its chest (explained the bad spots) as the bear continued towards him. He knew he was getting low on ammo and shoved the end of the barrel in the bears mouth and pulled the trigger as he turned to run. The bear came crashing down on top of him and he just knew he was fixing to be dead. But as it turned out, the last bullet went thru the roof of its mouth into its brain and he died, causing him to fall on top of the man. He said he got the bear mounted in the last position he saw it before trying to run. I was like WOW!!! He went on to say that was the last time he ever carried a 30-30 into bear country as all the rounds to the chest didn't penetrate the skin and were all balled up in the fur.
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thanks, yes that sounds right! Cool store back in the day


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Originally Posted by txtrophy85
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Personally i would want a 10mm.

I love my 9mm and it’s better than nothing, it it’s not my first choice.

I have not encountered a grizzly yet but I have black bear and I would want a bigger gun if I had the option


After killing a ton of big hogs with hard cast and Leigh high 357sig and +p+ 9mm, I decided I’d be alright, especially since I would never carry a 10mm out side of 10 days a year.

I Think a big heavy 10mm pistol is a false sense of security if you seldom carry or shoot it.

Just my opinion.



My buddy had a glock 10 mm that was pretty easy to shoot. Shot a few hogs with it and they went straight down


As tough as a hog is they are not bears


They aren’t bears but closest thing from a plated vitals perspective.

Also in lower 48 you don’t find a ton of 500lb grizzlies either. Most recorded sow attacks are 300 lbs or <


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I do like the 9mm for its high capacity.

My glock holds 15 rounds

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I carry a switch.

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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
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Oh she'll be fine with that. As the bear charges she'll just whack you in the kneecap and walk away at a casual pace. My bear advice is to never flat out kill whoever you're with, you just gotta' outrun 'em. Besides, I've heard "playing dead" is a viable defense and the bear might lose interest in them and take interest in you. Your companion will be a much better distraction if they're writhing on the ground screaming in agony.


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