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Is it okay to go fishing for evidence? #7738280 02/05/20 04:04 PM
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id say bs story for PR


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Oh it’s happening. Question only is how fast this gets to SC. Then question is who will SC side with????

Yes yes, we know. If you don’t have anything to hide, there should be no issue. That has nothing to do with situation.


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Re: Is it okay to go fishing for evidence? [Re: Texas Dan] #7738299 02/05/20 04:17 PM
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Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.



I’m not taking a side either way but how is this them not doing their job? They have dna evidence and are trying to match It to someone therefore they tried to get access to a large dna database.
Sounds to me like doing their job is exactly what they’re doing by trying to use every resource possibly available.

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.

we dont think they are only available to the detectives do we.
Sergey brin co founder of google, married to
Anne Wojcicki founder of 23 and me (dna harvesting), she is sister to
Susan Diane Wojcicki CEO of you tube.

Thats a cozy little bed they have their. The corruption has been exposed , I dont need to repeat it. We do know how cozy google has been with china


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Originally Posted by cbump
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Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.



I’m not taking a side either way but how is this them not doing their job? They have dna evidence and are trying to match It to someone therefore they tried to get access to a large dna database.
Sounds to me like doing their job is exactly what they’re doing by trying to use every resource possibly available.


Is that a serious question?

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If Supreme Court doesn’t like It then fine, that’s how case law is made. Thinking outside the box is how smart criminals are caught though.

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Originally Posted by cbump
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Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.



I’m not taking a side either way but how is this them not doing their job? They have dna evidence and are trying to match It to someone therefore they tried to get access to a large dna database.
Sounds to me like doing their job is exactly what they’re doing by trying to use every resource possibly available.


Is that a serious question?

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Law enforcement will get it and health insurance companies will too............if the world keeps spinning.

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.



I’m not taking a side either way but how is this them not doing their job? They have dna evidence and are trying to match It to someone therefore they tried to get access to a large dna database.
Sounds to me like doing their job is exactly what they’re doing by trying to use every resource possibly available.


Is that a serious question?


What would Investigator SA Hunter have them do?

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
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Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.



I’m not taking a side either way but how is this them not doing their job? They have dna evidence and are trying to match It to someone therefore they tried to get access to a large dna database.
Sounds to me like doing their job is exactly what they’re doing by trying to use every resource possibly available.


Is that a serious question?



You hiding something boy??????????
rofl

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SA Hunter just sounds guilty

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Originally Posted by cbump
Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Detectives need to do their jobs! Instead of fishing for leads.



I’m not taking a side either way but how is this them not doing their job? They have dna evidence and are trying to match It to someone therefore they tried to get access to a large dna database.
Sounds to me like doing their job is exactly what they’re doing by trying to use every resource possibly available.



Hey Chris, tell them about probable cause.


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Re: Is it okay to go fishing for evidence? [Re: Texas Dan] #7738328 02/05/20 04:37 PM
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They can get your DNA out of your trash can. They just did it in a Robert Crais book that I'm reading.


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I suspect the Supreme Court is going to view DNA much like fingerprints where detectives are limited to finding matches in government databases and view private databases as being covered by the Privacy Act. Otherwise, they obtain directly from the individual with probable cause.

No fishing.

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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
I suspect the Supreme Court is going to view DNA much like fingerprints where detectives are limited to finding matches in government databases and view private databases as being covered by the Privacy Act.


Yep up

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If you are going to a private source for DNA what is your probable cause that the DNA you are looking for is in the private sources databanks? If your probable cause is you have gone through all public/government DNA databanks without a hit and this is just more databanks to search for a hit then you are fishing and have no PROBABLE CAUSE. The 4th amendment is a protection against this. I am not saying that they are not doing their job by by trying to use these other databanks but I want Probable Cause not fishing. We have seen with what has been going on with the FBI that the courts have been abused and we know it has happened at the local levels as well.

Before it is said that I am anti law enforcement I am not! I have no problems with companies using the courts to protect our freedoms from over reach. The Patriot Act is a great example of a over reach and are we really safer because of it?

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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
I suspect the Supreme Court is going to view DNA much like fingerprints where detectives are limited to finding matches in government databases and view private databases as being covered by the Privacy Act. Otherwise, they obtain directly from the individual with probable cause.

No fishing.


That’s how it’s viewed now. The police can only search a database for this type of info where someone has specifically chosen to make it public.Then it’s no longer private.


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Originally Posted by Lakhota
If you are going to a private source for DNA what is your probable cause that the DNA you are looking for is in the private sources databanks? If your probable cause is you have gone through all public/government DNA databanks without a hit and this is just more databanks to search for a hit then you are fishing and have no PROBABLE CAUSE. The 4th amendment is a protection against this. I am not saying that they are not doing their job by by trying to use these other databanks but I want Probable Cause not fishing. We have seen with what has been going on with the FBI that the courts have been abused and we know it has happened at the local levels as well.

Before it is said that I am anti law enforcement I am not! I have no problems with companies using the courts to protect our freedoms from over reach. The Patriot Act is a great example of a over reach and are we really safer because of it?



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Originally Posted by bill oxner
They can get your DNA out of your trash can. They just did it in a Robert Crais book that I'm reading.



Yes Bill we all know or should know that they can get your DNA out of the trash because “You discarded the item” and the trash is public domain. However if you give your DNA to a private company you did it with some expectation of privacy usually made by the company.

Here is a news flash for you too Bill everything in books is not factual.

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Originally Posted by Lakhota
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They can get your DNA out of your trash can. They just did it in a Robert Crais book that I'm reading.



Yes Bill we all know or should know that they can get your DNA out of the trash because “You discarded the item” and the trash is public domain. However if you give your DNA to a private company you did it with some expectation of privacy usually made by the company.

Here is a news flash for you too Bill everything in books is not factual.


Look it up like I did. There are several examples.

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