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AR pistol help
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02/02/20 02:06 PM
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Morning folks, new to ARs. I have a pistol upper. Reading on the Internet just muddies the water. Can I attach this lower to a pistol upper? I see some say it can't have a rifle stock but others that are pistols and look similar. Trying to contact PSA is a lesson in futility. Thanks
https://palmettostatearmory.com/psa-ar15-complete-classic-stealth-lower.html?trk_msg=R0UDSI86CKBK32MRQ65JHRU72G&trk_contact=QA8JVEEVU57K8ONHRBPOJO37NO&trk_sid=5J36DUPLLKRE6Q05B8UNP3627O&utm_source=Listrak&utm_medium=email&utm_term=https%3a%2f%2fpalmettostatearmory.com%2fpsa-ar15-complete-classic-stealth-lower.html&utm_campaign=Daily+Deal+Email&utm_content=12%3a00+Email
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Re: AR pistol help
[Re: kossetx]
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02/02/20 02:38 PM
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Based on what you are asking: NO!!!!!
You MUST have BATFE approval for an SBR (short barrel rifle). A person "could" go to jail for this. Read up on what is required to own an SBR. I would like to have one but don't want to go through the hassle and expense.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/02/20 03:35 PM
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No you cannot. That’s a rifle lower. You will need a pistol lower. Functionally, you you could the one you linked, but it would be illegal. Basically you need to get a lower, make sure the FFL processes it as “other” not as a “rifle/longgun”(FFLs among us, please verify that for me). Then you build it as normal, but never put a butt stock on it. You may either leave it as a bare buffer tube, or you may install a pistol brace, that looks a lot like a stock but isn’t, (google “what’s an AR pistol brace” and watch a video on YouTube). That makes it legal.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/02/20 03:36 PM
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Based on what you are asking: NO!!!!!
You MUST have BATFE approval for an SBR (short barrel rifle). A person "could" go to jail for this. Read up on what is required to own an SBR. I would like to have one but don't want to go through the hassle and expense. He’s not asking about SBRs. He’s trying to make sure he has a legal pistol.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/02/20 03:41 PM
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Not as it's shown...
The lower you linked to would be shipped and transferred as a "receiver" since it is neither rifle nor pistol until assembled with a complete upper... a bare lower (regardless what is attached to the receiver extension) cannot fire a round and has no rifled barrel... therefore it is not yet a firearm of any type, but simply a "receiver", which is listed under "Other" on the 4473.
However once you have it, if you want to use it with a short barrel upper (barrel less than 16") you would need to first remove the sliding stock.
You could then legally install a short upper, and even add a brace (which resemble stocks but are not) to the buffer tube.
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Re: AR pistol help
[Re: kossetx]
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02/02/20 04:15 PM
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Thanks for the replies folks. 9x19, if the stock slides it cant be used? Perhaps the pistols I've been seeing had a brace. I'll google that and see what it looks like.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/02/20 04:27 PM
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Ok, understanding more now. I see pistol lowers with braces, some for the same price. Since this is my first venture into this I think I'll get a mil spec lower from PSA. Any fault to that logic? Thanks
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/02/20 05:05 PM
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Not as it's shown...
The lower you linked to would be shipped and transferred as a "receiver" since it is neither rifle nor pistol until assembled with a complete upper... a bare lower (regardless what is attached to the receiver extension) cannot fire a round and has no rifled barrel... therefore it is not yet a firearm of any type, but simply a "receiver", which is listed under "Other" on the 4473.
However once you have it, if you want to use it with a short barrel upper (barrel less than 16") you would need to first remove the sliding stock.
You could then legally install a short upper, and even add a brace (which resemble stocks but are not) to the buffer tube.
I thought once it had a butt stock installed it could never be a pistol lower. Or is it once it’s installed with a rifle upper. Either way OP, but the pistol lower with a brace installed and you are g2g.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/02/20 07:41 PM
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Ok, understanding more now. I see pistol lowers with braces, some for the same price. Since this is my first venture into this I think I'll get a mil spec lower from PSA. Any fault to that logic? Thanks Nope... by the way, the sliding feature is also available in braces (ie SB Tactical SBA3 & SBA4). A brace can look alot like a stock, but ATFE makes a distinction between them. These are two of mine: Registered SBR with Magpul stock Pistol with SBA3 brace
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/02/20 08:23 PM
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And if your not married to the .223, look at a 9mm. I just finished the build on mine, and it’s a JOY to shoot.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/03/20 12:52 AM
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Thanks! I've considered the 9. I'm really considering 80% route too.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/03/20 01:01 AM
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If you do end up deciding to go with 9mm, look at FM products uppers and lowers. I’m very impressed.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 03:01 AM
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I'm looking at building a 5.56 pistol with a new receiver set. I plan to use a 10.5 or 12.5 barrel with a sba3 brace. I just want to verify that it's legal and don't need to file paperwork?
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 03:03 AM
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sounds like its legal. no reason it wouldnt be based on what you said.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 03:07 AM
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I'm looking at building a 5.56 pistol with a new receiver set. I plan to use a 10.5 or 12.5 barrel with a sba3 brace. I just want to verify that it's legal and don't need to file paperwork? Perfectly legal. I have one with the SBA3 10.5” barrel. Just don’t put a vertical foregrip on it, that makes it a AOW.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 03:32 AM
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I'm looking at building a 5.56 pistol with a new receiver set. I plan to use a 10.5 or 12.5 barrel with a sba3 brace. I just want to verify that it's legal and don't need to file paperwork? Perfectly legal. I have one with the SBA3 10.5” barrel. Just don’t put a vertical foregrip on it, that makes it a AOW. Thanks. What about adding a slr rifleworks handstop? Is it legal? I hear so many conflicting ideas? Also, how do you like the sba3? Thanks again
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 03:38 AM
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Hand stop is fine and angled for grips like the Magpul is fine. Just can’t be vertical. ATF rules are dumb.
SBA3 is pretty much a replica of the MFT Minimalist stock which is what I run on all my other ARs so I really like it. It’s almost comical that I can put this on a “pistol” and it’s perfectly legal but put on the MFT which the only difference is rigidity and I have to pay a $200 tax and wait for permission.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 03:49 AM
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Hand stop is fine and angled for grips like the Magpul is fine. Just can’t be vertical. ATF rules are dumb.
SBA3 is pretty much a replica of the MFT Minimalist stock which is what I run on all my other ARs so I really like it. It’s almost comical that I can put this on a “pistol” and it’s perfectly legal but put on the MFT which the only difference is rigidity and I have to pay a $200 tax and wait for permission. I appreciate it. Good to hear some solid info. The sba3 comes with a buffer tube, but no buffer spring, castle nut, or end plate, correct?
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 03:50 AM
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Hand stop is fine and angled for grips like the Magpul is fine. Just can’t be vertical. ATF rules are dumb.
SBA3 is pretty much a replica of the MFT Minimalist stock which is what I run on all my other ARs so I really like it. It’s almost comical that I can put this on a “pistol” and it’s perfectly legal but put on the MFT which the only difference is rigidity and I have to pay a $200 tax and wait for permission. I appreciate it. Good to hear some solid info. The sba3 comes with a buffer tube, but no buffer spring, castle nut, or end plate, correct? No problem, and yes it comes with tube only.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/19/20 02:51 PM
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Yesterday, Primary Arms had the SBA4 and included a buffer and spring with the purchase. I think it was $130 if I remember correctly.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/20/20 02:53 AM
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SBA4s can be had for less than $100... as low as $93 before shipping... use Gun Deals to search.
Buffer and spring isn't included, but PSA doesn't include them either, in my experience.
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Re: AR pistol help
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02/20/20 03:28 AM
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you can buy used sba3s and 4s for 70 w/ buffer tube all day long on reddit.
The very atmosphere of firearms anywhere and everywhere restrains evil interference. -George Washington
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