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Bare with me.

CharlieSierraDelta and his Uber cheap Savage build has reignited an idea I’ve had. I want to build a repeating rifle in 460XVR. I already have the revolver, now I want a rifle. The only one produced is a Big Horn Armory and it starts at $2900.

Idea is to take a Savage and spin on a new barrel, that’s the easy part, the hard part is making the magazine work. PT&G sells the bolt face I need, so that taken care of.

Has anybody here ever messed with a rimmed case in a bolt action?

250-315 grain 45cal bullets moving around 2500fps is going to be a hammer.


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7.62x54r, .303 British, 30-40 Krag, 30-30, and many other rimmed cartridges have been chambered in bolt actions and work fine. The calipers that I listed are a rimmed rifle cartridges that I have rifles chambered in now.

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Would you mind sharing some pics of the magazines?


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I’ve considered this myself a few times, only I was thinking like a 16” threaded barrel with a suppressor in 45 long colt...

Was thinking it would make a nice hog thumper do it in a short action Remington..

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Savage made rimmed rifle cartridge rifles, the savage 340 came in 3030. Also the Rem 788 came in 44 mag, 3030 and maybe a few others. A while back I read some blog etc. on line where I guy built a bolt 45-70 savage but don't recall where lol.

I have thought of doing something similar in the past.


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Originally Posted by blkt2
7.62x54r, .303 British, 30-40 Krag, 30-30, and many other rimmed cartridges have been chambered in bolt actions and work fine. The calipers that I listed are a rimmed rifle cartridges that I have rifles chambered in now.


And .22s and .410s and there are some mag fed 12 gauges running around too.

I would figure the main thing would be to make sure you load the mags so you don’t rim lock—overlapping cases doesn’t lead to easy feeding.


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I originally developed the cartridge that became the 460 . It was originally a rimless case made for a bolt rifle , so all you have to do is use the original . I still have the reamer I made . Use a 7.5x55 Swiss case with the neck cut off , or just trim the rim and cut a groove on 460 cases . Everything else for the 460 can be used , the dies , load data and a reamer if you grind off the rim cutter . The original cartridge was called the 45 Bandit and it headspaces on the case mouth . It will feed fine out of a .308 mag with a little modification .

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On a side note I don't know if he built it or not, but I think Ranchdog on here has a bolt 45-70. May reach out to him.


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It’d be best to do it on a Mauser with a slant box magazine.

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Siamese Mauser are strong actions that are used for 45-70 with heavy loads. Springfield 1903 are also used for some customs in 45-70, so could probably be used for 460.

Found this youtube video of making a 460 S&W on a Savage action,


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Originally Posted by kmon1
Siamese Mauser are strong actions that are used for 45-70 with heavy loads. Springfield 1903 are also used for some customs in 45-70, so could probably be used for 460.

Found this youtube video of making a 460 S&W on a Savage action,




I’m pretty open to other rifles. I like the DIY of the Savage. The action has to be able to handle 65,000 psi. Going to keep the barrel around 16-18 inches and have it suppressed. 300grain bullet moving 2500~ FPS is going to hammer the hogs. 200 grain moving 2800~ will wreak havoc on coyotes.


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I have several centerfire boltactions chambered in rimed cartridges 2 788s and one custom 44 Mag that uses the 788 Magazines and a Rugger 77-22H Hornet. All but the Hornet are single stack mags.

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Just get a 35 Whalen. It will slan dunk anything you shoot

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Originally Posted by 1bigbill
Just get a 35 Whalen. It will slan dunk anything you shoot


It might. But I’ve already got a ton of brass for this and a revolver to go with this rifle.


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Originally Posted by diablodog
I originally developed the cartridge that became the 460 . It was originally a rimless case made for a bolt rifle , so all you have to do is use the original . I still have the reamer I made . Use a 7.5x55 Swiss case with the neck cut off , or just trim the rim and cut a groove on 460 cases . Everything else for the 460 can be used , the dies , load data and a reamer if you grind off the rim cutter . The original cartridge was called the 45 Bandit and it headspaces on the case mouth . It will feed fine out of a .308 mag with a little modification .


So the 45 Raptor is a 308 case with the neck cut off? What else is required?


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I have always wanted a short Marlin lever action in 500S&W. Someone told me it wasn't possible but I don't remember the reason behind it. A 500 S&W short bolt gun would be sweet too.

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I have always wanted a short Marlin lever action in 500S&W. Someone told me it wasn't possible but I don't remember the reason behind it. A 500 S&W short bolt gun would be sweet too.


I think it has to do with the pressures the 500 S&W is loaded along with the diameter of the cartridge.

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Originally Posted by kmon1
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I have always wanted a short Marlin lever action in 500S&W. Someone told me it wasn't possible but I don't remember the reason behind it. A 500 S&W short bolt gun would be sweet too.


I think it has to do with the pressures the 500 S&W is loaded along with the diameter of the cartridge.


Yes, pressure. But, you’re in luck

https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-89-carbine-18-500-sw/


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Originally Posted by BigPig
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I have always wanted a short Marlin lever action in 500S&W. Someone told me it wasn't possible but I don't remember the reason behind it. A 500 S&W short bolt gun would be sweet too.


I think it has to do with the pressures the 500 S&W is loaded along with the diameter of the cartridge.


Yes, pressure. But, you’re in luck

https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-89-carbine-18-500-sw/


Even better... modeled after a Winchester up


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Didn’t Puma make the model 92 in 454?

Edit: they still make em $5-600. Of course that’s not a bolt.

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Didn’t Puma make the model 92 in 454?

Edit: they still make em $5-600. Of course that’s not a bolt.


I’d take a lever gun in 460,,, but it’s hard to justify $3500 for one.


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You should handle a Bighorn, they are really nice. Messed up when we had the chance to buy one at a local gunshow from a stocking dealer. He had a deal that day and we passed, wanted a 454, partly why we passed.
Everything about the rifle is first rate.
I believe there is a gun shop in Oklahoma that is a stocking dealer, they had a great deal on in stock rifles one year, found it online.

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So... the real question is, is the the 460 worth $2800 over the 454 for 200 FPS. Granted it much nicer rifle but pretty is as pretty does.

Same dies, powder, and primers. Just have to buy brass.

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Originally Posted by BigPig
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I have always wanted a short Marlin lever action in 500S&W. Someone told me it wasn't possible but I don't remember the reason behind it. A 500 S&W short bolt gun would be sweet too.


I think it has to do with the pressures the 500 S&W is loaded along with the diameter of the cartridge.


Yes, pressure. But, you’re in luck

https://www.bighornarmory.com/product/model-89-carbine-18-500-sw/


That's probably the most perfect lever gun I have ever seen. I could never spend that kinda money on one but its actually not a bad price for a custom built rifle.

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How about a bolt action 45-70 Govt? My Gibbs Summit, based on a SMLE action.

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