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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7701975 12/30/19 05:22 AM
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Guy who killed shooter used to own a gun range and trained many LTC classes!! He’s trained and has trained many hundreds if not thousands of LTC carries. Preparation and training works!

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things that make you go hmmmmmm....

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Biden Attacked Texas Governor For Signing Law Letting Churchgoers Carry Guns: ‘Totally Irrational’
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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7702000 12/30/19 07:41 AM
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Prayers for the victims. Glad that SOB is dead and roasting in hell.


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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: Birddogger] #7702047 12/30/19 12:52 PM
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Originally Posted by Birddogger
Guy who killed shooter used to own a gun range and trained many LTC classes!! He’s trained and has trained many hundreds if not thousands of LTC carries. Preparation and training works!



https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jack...L7dSTkp3RczeCMTz4RqV3294SKNMV6R_-uTO_YPI



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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hopalong] #7702049 12/30/19 12:55 PM
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Originally Posted by hopalong
Originally Posted by Birddogger
Guy who killed shooter used to own a gun range and trained many LTC classes!! He’s trained and has trained many hundreds if not thousands of LTC carries. Preparation and training works!



https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jack...L7dSTkp3RczeCMTz4RqV3294SKNMV6R_-uTO_YPI



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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: texasag93] #7702056 12/30/19 01:11 PM
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Originally Posted by texasag93
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Guy who killed shooter used to own a gun range and trained many LTC classes!! He’s trained and has trained many hundreds if not thousands of LTC carries. Preparation and training works!



https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jack...L7dSTkp3RczeCMTz4RqV3294SKNMV6R_-uTO_YPI



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https://heavy.com/news/2019/12/jack-wilson/

Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7702059 12/30/19 01:22 PM
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Interesting...that article says that two of the members shot the bad guy.

Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7702125 12/30/19 02:37 PM
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yes, guy next to the shooter kills him, i guess thats the back row. Point blank shotgun blasts, pretty deadly

Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7702155 12/30/19 03:09 PM
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That is one heck of a shot. God was watching!
To anyone who says a good guy with a gun is not warranted really needs to see this.


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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7702157 12/30/19 03:11 PM
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I go to a fairly large church in downtown Fort Worth. It would be interesting to know how many carry during service.


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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7702173 12/30/19 03:25 PM
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Good guy is standing in back the whole time as if he clearly suspected something off; he takes little to no time to off the bad guy. Did he say if his suspicion was on high alert?

Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: DQ Kid] #7702174 12/30/19 03:26 PM
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Originally Posted by DQ Kid
Good guy is standing in back the whole time as if he clearly suspected something off; he takes little to no time to off the bad guy. Did he say if his suspicion was on high alert?


a lot of them were, he was in a black trench coat with a fake beard.


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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: Buzzsaw] #7702207 12/30/19 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
yes, guy next to the shooter kills him, i guess thats the back row. Point blank shotgun blasts, pretty deadly


I don't think the second victim (usher standing) is the one who kills the shooter. The only guy on the back row is the one who stood up and got killed.

The guy next to exit on the far left clearly gets a shot off.

Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: bigbob_ftw] #7702217 12/30/19 04:03 PM
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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
I go to a fairly large church in downtown Fort Worth. It would be interesting to know how many carry during service.


Many churches sent members to training after previous shootings and the members went through a training course similar to what air marshals completed(point being it was more advanced training than just getting an LTC).

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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
I go to a fairly large church in downtown Fort Worth. It would be interesting to know how many carry during service.

Same.
Except not in ft.worth


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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: Scott W] #7702252 12/30/19 04:54 PM
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Video breakdown.

great video, I now see everything clearly. Very tragic , real life.....

Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: TCM3] #7702255 12/30/19 04:57 PM
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Originally Posted by TCM3
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I go to a fairly large church in downtown Fort Worth. It would be interesting to know how many carry during service.

Same.
Except not in ft.worth


I bet there will be a lot more now

Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: hetman] #7702264 12/30/19 05:05 PM
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I wonder if this has anything to do with it. It was a mass stabbing a couple hours before the Texas incident . This one happened in new york on sat night. Why dont we have a name by now.
https://gellerreport.com/2019/12/ch...tm_source=dlvr.it&utm_medium=twitter

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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: DocHorton] #7702302 12/30/19 06:12 PM
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Originally Posted by DocHorton
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yes, guy next to the shooter kills him, i guess thats the back row. Point blank shotgun blasts, pretty deadly


I don't think the second victim (usher standing) is the one who kills the shooter. The only guy on the back row is the one who stood up and got killed.

The guy next to exit on the far left clearly gets a shot off.


Agree. And the shooter (the guy in the back that was already standing) is running for office and used to own a gun range/store. He has since said on his Facebook page, and the media has said the same, that it was him who fired he shot, as the video explains in great detail.


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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
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Good guy is standing in back the whole time as if he clearly suspected something off; he takes little to no time to off the bad guy. Did he say if his suspicion was on high alert?


a lot of them were, he was in a black trench coat with a fake beard.



I'm on the security team at our church. That guy would not have gotten into our sanctuary. We lock and monitor the entrance after the rush and monitor during the rush. Suspect looking individuals get corraled talked with prayed with etc. Vetted if you will.

A year or so before I started attending the church they did what I just described. Guy left and a few days later shot some family.

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Watching the video made me think I need some range time. Dear Lord I hope I never have to shoot someone. More so I hope I don't get shot.

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we have people the the church entrance and the sanctuary entrance.


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Re: shooting at White Settlement church [Re: Tin Head] #7702448 12/30/19 09:08 PM
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Originally Posted by Tin Head
with the video , definitely a sad deal. Do we know the name of the shooter?


https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/r...oter-in-white-settlement-church/2283777/

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Originally Posted by ducknbass
Watching the video made me think I need some range time. Dear Lord I hope I never have to shoot someone. More so I hope I don't get shot.


duck, you even been in war? I haven't been in combat but did get deployed with near daily attacks. I saw gunfire coming up in the sky when we were descending for our landing in the 130, that's when I knew it was buck up or be freaked out the whole time. I went in with the mentality I was already living on borrowed time, and the constant attacks just didn't faze me. I still live that way today. Borrowed time with a greater tomorrow. I would worry more about failing at your security job than getting shot...you don't want to go down in history as the security guard who ran from the threat (i.e. florida school shooting).

I don't wish upon anyone the "need" to kill another person, but IF I ever faced with a situation where it was me, threat, and a bunch of people, that threat is gonna have to go through me before it gets to the rest of the people. Not saying it would be hard to get through me, but I would give a few seconds hopefully.

And yes, we all need more range time. That's a given for sure

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