A real "cluster" in the making.

Sounds strikingly like impeachment.....huh, I wonder if the same people are pushing both agendas?

Theyre gonna keep on pushing until people start snapping..............and that's exactly what the left wants to happen. MAn its coming at us so fast now.

So a judge can determine to forbid ya from exerting a God given right
Nope not today or any other

It is our Constitutional right, but there have to be personal limits for personal and public safety. Can a person with diminished cognitions bare arms? That sounds dangerous to everyone. If you have Down’s Syndrome and can not manage your own affairs, should you be able to buy and use firearms? If you have a mental illness and are hallucinating, should you be able to buy and use firearms?
There are people who are dangerous to themselves and their families. My family was one of these. My father died and if these laws were in place it would have given us one more tool to try to remedy a clearly forecasted disaster.

But they are written too broadly, and likely for a reason that has nothing to do with protecting us.

Exactly....

Agreed. The critical component is due process.

Not sure God has given the right to bear arms, or for that matter self defense. In fact, He may be against it, based upon the teaching of His son Jesus.

However, the "right to self defense" is classically defined as a natural right, meaning all people should have it and no govt should "decree it". God given right...that's a bit of a stretch.

Semantics I know, sorry, its a slow day at work for me today.

Precisely, a constitutional right, that can be limited under certain circumstances. I am not for red flag laws in any current iteration, and certainly not without due process or ability for the person flagged to be un-flagged.

But for us to act like the "shall not be infringed" means we can just let anyone and everyone buy a gun and possess is insane. We are all good with felons not being able to own or possess a weapon. We are all good with clinically insane people (the real crazies and not just PTSD or depression) not owning and possessing guns, but there is a gray zone in there. We need to be part of a solution that forms the gray zone policy with other good constitutional basis (like due process, etc). Problem is we have not been part of the solution nor asked to be, so until that happens, we do need to fight for our rights.

Looks like another unconstitutional cluster to me

Well limiting arms and govt over reach were reasons for the Declaration of Independence
Who is to say who may and may not be cognitive enough to possess a weapon, a doctor, which side do they lean
The govt, no thanks I don't trust them,
Your neighbor yeah they do that in communist countries and we know how That works out
From the majority of responses hear I see some don't mind their rights being restricted more, the restrictions we already have are too much

At the risk of being repetitive, we have something called "due process" in this country. ALL laws are subject to that control. Any gun grab MUST be done correctly, or not at all! No logical person wants a truly deranged person to walk down the street tossing out grenades.

As we continue to witness our government running roughshod over citizens' inherent rights, "We the People" have been given no choice but to take a defensive posture regarding our own safety and self-defense. Every mass shooting results in a knee jerk reaction of trying to punish law-abiding gun owners because: "Well, we have to do something!" People who exhibit that mindset and its lack of basic logic, are incapable of structuring an actual solution.

When someone tries to make ME carry the blame for other people's evil actions, the only logical response is:
"Nope! If I give you an inch, you will take a mile."

Marc

how many states are we up to now?

Texas falls , they all fall. Hence the population increase

Now wait a minute, just because a state enacts a bad reg fog law does not mean the citizens of said state will comply willingly with that law. We already have several counties that have declared themselves non-participating in said laws, knowing they are over reach and the federal govt has their back (you know, the constitution thing).

Even if Texas were to turn blue enough to get some crazy gun law on the books, it would be falls, Harris, Bexar, whatever El Paso is, that would follow the law, the rest of the state would whole heartedly become second amendment sanctuaries and dare someone to come after them.

The only thing these laws are doing is further dividing the gun owners from the non-owners and creating a more clear line in the sand for a civil dispute.

Two ways to look at it. I choose the constitutional precedent, firearms laws and restrictions have with held the SCOUS. This to will with hold challenge, even with an all Red SCOUS. What will also with stand an All red or Blue SCOUS are legislature protections against due process abuses of those laws.

The Constitution allows for both. Infact you can’t have one with out the other. You can legislate Red Flag laws abuse so harshly Red flag laws effectively become nothing.

i posted this the other day, only got one joke about it. the tyrants will not depend on your local law to enforce.


https://careers.un.org/lbw/jobdetail.aspx?id=127453&Lang=en-US

sounds good if you have a constitution. Its only been three years that we have had some one that actually acknowledges the constitution. Things arent as peachy as most seem to think they are.

I don’t disagree with you

Unless you have your head in the sand, you instinctively what is coming.

It is actually preferable that it happens sooner than later - while there are still enough of us around who know how to put it back together again. Wait long enough and the future will depend on a generation of people who simply cannot make the hard decisions that will be required.

Yepper..........they can be patient for 20 years and take it down easily. I know I am getting to be less of a threat to them daily.