texashuntingforum.com logo
Main Menu
Advertisement
Affiliates
Advertisement
Newest Members
AR-Head, Robbie Milam, colbytamu20, calm_adrenaline, Gary4065
66312 Registered Users
Top Posters(All Time)
dogcatcher 96,770
bill oxner 62,766
stxranchman 55,458
SnakeWrangler 50,381
RKHarm24 44,585
rifleman 44,446
BMD 41,029
Big Orn 37,484
Facebook
Forum Statistics
Forums45
Topics446,694
Posts6,481,318
Members66,312
Most Online19,184
Feb 5th, 2020
Print Thread
Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: unclebubba] #7694220 12/20/19 07:28 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
S
SnakeWrangler Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
Originally Posted by unclebubba

How would you write that into law that would make the law clear?


I do believe we are talking about a relatively small number of bucks. I biologist issued permit for a specific buck should be easy. If you can demonstrate a well documented buck through photographs the biologist can make the call. No different the MLD permits. They would have to be applied for. Another tool for people who want to truly manage their herd...


Originally Posted By: skinnerback
Milf does the trick.

"You're statistically more likely to be killed by Hillary Clinton than an NRA member. - PolitiDiva

"You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: SnakeWrangler] #7694232 12/20/19 07:37 PM
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 1,165
L
laid over Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
L
Joined: Jan 2019
Posts: 1,165
Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Originally Posted by unclebubba

How would you write that into law that would make the law clear?


I do believe we are talking about a relatively small number of bucks. I biologist issued permit for a specific buck should be easy. If you can demonstrate a well documented buck through photographs the biologist can make the call. No different the MLD permits. They would have to be applied for. Another tool for people who want to truly manage their herd...


Seems pretty cut and dry to me


-Bryan

Yep, formerly regularguy11B
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: laid over] #7694245 12/20/19 07:46 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
S
SnakeWrangler Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
Originally Posted by laid over
Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Originally Posted by unclebubba

How would you write that into law that would make the law clear?


I do believe we are talking about a relatively small number of bucks. I biologist issued permit for a specific buck should be easy. If you can demonstrate a well documented buck through photographs the biologist can make the call. No different the MLD permits. They would have to be applied for. Another tool for people who want to truly manage their herd...


Seems pretty cut and dry to me


Can be very simple....doesn't have to and should not be a complex bureaucratic process.

And for the record I strongly support antler restrictions and live in a restriction county. They clearly have improved the herd in our area.

Last edited by SnakeWrangler; 12/20/19 07:46 PM.

Originally Posted By: skinnerback
Milf does the trick.

"You're statistically more likely to be killed by Hillary Clinton than an NRA member. - PolitiDiva

"You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7694374 12/20/19 09:52 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562
I am no expert on WT. But having wrote before on my experience in raising Ibex there would seem to be a way for some to be able to try to curb the narrow antler gene. Year after year of letting those bucks breed is only going to make the situation worse. I know if I would let the worse Billies breed the females pretty soon I would be out of business. Maybe for a few years the AR's should be that only bucks with less than a 13 inch spread could be taken. I also realize that the Does are half of the problem. If folks would every year during that time only shoot the oldest Does every year that would get them out of the pool. There also seems to be a problem in those AR counties with the ability to raise Deer. What is that problem? I know around here there are more Deer than ever before. Is the problem predators, parasites or people?

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: don k] #7694434 12/20/19 10:53 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
S
SnakeWrangler Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
Originally Posted by don k
I am no expert on WT. But having wrote before on my experience in raising Ibex there would seem to be a way for some to be able to try to curb the narrow antler gene. Year after year of letting those bucks breed is only going to make the situation worse. I know if I would let the worse Billies breed the females pretty soon I would be out of business. Maybe for a few years the AR's should be that only bucks with less than a 13 inch spread could be taken. I also realize that the Does are half of the problem. If folks would every year during that time only shoot the oldest Does every year that would get them out of the pool. There also seems to be a problem in those AR counties with the ability to raise Deer. What is that problem? I know around here there are more Deer than ever before. Is the problem predators, parasites or people?


Cars, poachers, and predators in that order.... 2cents


Originally Posted By: skinnerback
Milf does the trick.

"You're statistically more likely to be killed by Hillary Clinton than an NRA member. - PolitiDiva

"You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: don k] #7694436 12/20/19 10:55 PM
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 16,315
T
Texas Dan Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 16,315
Originally Posted by don k
I am no expert on WT. But having wrote before on my experience in raising Ibex there would seem to be a way for some to be able to try to curb the narrow antler gene. Year after year of letting those bucks breed is only going to make the situation worse. I know if I would let the worse Billies breed the females pretty soon I would be out of business. Maybe for a few years the AR's should be that only bucks with less than a 13 inch spread could be taken. I also realize that the Does are half of the problem. If folks would every year during that time only shoot the oldest Does every year that would get them out of the pool. There also seems to be a problem in those AR counties with the ability to raise Deer. What is that problem? I know around here there are more Deer than ever before. Is the problem predators, parasites or people?


Yes, I would gladly agree with a "one buck - any buck" season every so often as a way to remove these older, narrow-racked deer.

Still, my first preference would be a system where biologists could send via email, tags that could be used after hunters have presented them with photo evidence of a specific buck that should be harvested.

Last edited by Texas Dan; 12/20/19 10:58 PM.

Dan

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: don k] #7694445 12/20/19 11:01 PM
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,630
C
ChrisB Offline
Pro Tracker
Offline
Pro Tracker
C
Joined: Dec 2006
Posts: 1,630
Originally Posted by don k
I am no expert on WT. But having wrote before on my experience in raising Ibex there would seem to be a way for some to be able to try to curb the narrow antler gene. Year after year of letting those bucks breed is only going to make the situation worse. I know if I would let the worse Billies breed the females pretty soon I would be out of business. Maybe for a few years the AR's should be that only bucks with less than a 13 inch spread could be taken. I also realize that the Does are half of the problem. If folks would every year during that time only shoot the oldest Does every year that would get them out of the pool. There also seems to be a problem in those AR counties with the ability to raise Deer. What is that problem? I know around here there are more Deer than ever before. Is the problem predators, parasites or people?

Don, in a lot of areas I've hunted, we don't have 25% the number of deer per acre you guys have down south.

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7694579 12/21/19 01:50 AM
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 126
W
Whammer7 Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
W
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 126
What is the fine for shooting a 12 7/8" inside spread buck?

From my perspective, state deer managers want more deer taken out of most areas than are actually harvested. Crop farmers certainly do.


"Sometimes, too much to drink is barely enough"

Mark Twain
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7694603 12/21/19 02:07 AM
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 126
W
Whammer7 Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
W
Joined: Jun 2019
Posts: 126
Just come across this article about a Texas hunter getting hit with a $53,000 fine for poaching 5 elk and a deer. That is a righteous fine!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...officials-say/ar-BBYdgsh?ocid=spartanntp


"Sometimes, too much to drink is barely enough"

Mark Twain
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Texas Dan] #7694615 12/21/19 02:18 AM
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 25,814
T
txtrophy85 Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
T
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 25,814
Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by don k
I am no expert on WT. But having wrote before on my experience in raising Ibex there would seem to be a way for some to be able to try to curb the narrow antler gene. Year after year of letting those bucks breed is only going to make the situation worse. I know if I would let the worse Billies breed the females pretty soon I would be out of business. Maybe for a few years the AR's should be that only bucks with less than a 13 inch spread could be taken. I also realize that the Does are half of the problem. If folks would every year during that time only shoot the oldest Does every year that would get them out of the pool. There also seems to be a problem in those AR counties with the ability to raise Deer. What is that problem? I know around here there are more Deer than ever before. Is the problem predators, parasites or people?


Yes, I would gladly agree with a "one buck - any buck" season every so often as a way to remove these older, narrow-racked deer.

Still, my first preference would be a system where biologists could send via email, tags that could be used after hunters have presented them with photo evidence of a specific buck that should be harvested.



What would happen is a lot of immature bucks hitting the ground.

Antler restrictions are not hurting the herd or propagating a trend to narrow racked bucks because immature bucks breed. These narrow racked mature bucks y’all are referring to are not the only bucks doing the breeding, therefore they are not influencing the genetic pool anymore than normal.

Even under a high fence scenario, culling mature deer isn’t gonna change anything. Culling younger deer with poor antler characteristics does.

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7694675 12/21/19 03:24 AM
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 549
H
Honker Jake Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
H
Joined: Aug 2009
Posts: 549
1.) It’s a pretty good indicator and I would stick with it. Obviously every deer isn’t the same tip to tip but if you could tell that difference from a distance you wouldn’t be asking this question. If it’s too dark and you need to use his ears to judge don’t shoot it.

2.) Hopefully I wouldn’t shoot a deer with that close of a spread in an AR county. I’m like you and would err on the side of Caution. If he was really close, depending on where I was, I’d call the GW. If he was way shy and I made an mistake, depending on where I was, no telling what I’d do.

3.) Maybe some depending on the GW. I’ve met plenty and have come to realize they are just like humans. Some are nice, some are mean, some are funny, some are way too serious, some hate people, some like people.

4.) Your probably right and he may never be legal. You’ve got to remember the law wasn’t made for people that watch their deer and pay attention to what a good mature deer looks like regardless of spread. Sounds like you know your deer and what a mature one looks like. I’d like to think it was made to keep the knuckle heads from shooting anything with antlers and I think it has been pretty effective.

5.) You might be right but I’d love to see the pictures if you’ve got them. It sounds like he may be one of the hunters this rule was made for. It would be nice if the law was you couldn’t shoot a buck younger than 4. Unfortunately that would be a hard one to enforce.

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Whammer7] #7694684 12/21/19 03:29 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
S
SnakeWrangler Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
Originally Posted by Whammer7
Just come across this article about a Texas hunter getting hit with a $53,000 fine for poaching 5 elk and a deer. That is a righteous fine!

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crim...officials-say/ar-BBYdgsh?ocid=spartanntp


Ouch...he deserved ever penny in my opinion.... whip


Originally Posted By: skinnerback
Milf does the trick.

"You're statistically more likely to be killed by Hillary Clinton than an NRA member. - PolitiDiva

"You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7694693 12/21/19 03:36 AM
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 59
R
RovingTexan Offline
Outdoorsman
Offline
Outdoorsman
R
Joined: Oct 2013
Posts: 59
I wasn’t fond of AR at first, but I’ve come around. The only thing I would change is some leniency for kids. 5 years ago I took my then 10 year old son hunting hoping he would get into it. He was really excited to go and after a couple of hours a mature 8 walked out that was about 12 1/2. I wouldn’t let him take the shot and he was clearly upset. He never stepped foot in a deer blind again. We have to find a way to get young hunters excited and in the field because we’re all getting older and the number of hunters in Texas are dwindling. If we don’t find a way to get young hunters involved, we could eventually lose what we love. Taking that first deer could have made a difference. And at the time, our county didn’t have a doe season.

Maybe a solution is to make legal bucks 13+” or at least 8 pts. That would allow hunters to cull some of the inferior bucks. Idk. Just a thought.

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: txtrophy85] #7694820 12/21/19 12:53 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562
Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by don k
I am no expert on WT. But having wrote before on my experience in raising Ibex there would seem to be a way for some to be able to try to curb the narrow antler gene. Year after year of letting those bucks breed is only going to make the situation worse. I know if I would let the worse Billies breed the females pretty soon I would be out of business. Maybe for a few years the AR's should be that only bucks with less than a 13 inch spread could be taken. I also realize that the Does are half of the problem. If folks would every year during that time only shoot the oldest Does every year that would get them out of the pool. There also seems to be a problem in those AR counties with the ability to raise Deer. What is that problem? I know around here there are more Deer than ever before. Is the problem predators, parasites or people?


Yes, I would gladly agree with a "one buck - any buck" season every so often as a way to remove these older, narrow-racked deer.

Still, my first preference would be a system where biologists could send via email, tags that could be used after hunters have presented them with photo evidence of a specific buck that should be harvested.



What would happen is a lot of immature bucks hitting the ground.

Antler restrictions are not hurting the herd or propagating a trend to narrow racked bucks because immature bucks breed. These narrow racked mature bucks y’all are referring to are not the only bucks doing the breeding, therefore they are not influencing the genetic pool anymore than normal.

Even under a high fence scenario, culling mature deer isn’t gonna change anything. Culling younger deer with poor antler characteristics does.

I will have to disagree. Every year the best bucks, those with over a 13" spread are taken. That leaves maybe some younger deer that will turn out good but it leaves all the less than 13" older deer to breed. The best bucks may have a chance to do some breeding but it leaves the inferior bucks to the majority of it. I can not see where this type of management is in the future going to help the overall WT quality.

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7694838 12/21/19 01:31 PM
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 599
R
RJH1 Offline
Tracker
Offline
Tracker
R
Joined: Apr 2011
Posts: 599
^^^Yep^^

Antler restrictions are dumb. In no way does it increase the "quality" of the deer herd, just the age of the worse bucks. Then like Don said above you end up removing the better bucks. And you will end up taking them out of the herd earlier. If you have a good deer that is going to hit 20 wide at 4.5 YO but makes 13 at 2.5, he is getting shot and taken out of the herd at 2.5. However if you have a crappy deer that don't make 13 till 4.5 he is in the gene pool 2 more years than the good deer. AR is backwards thinking if keeping quality deer in the herd is the goal.

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7694871 12/21/19 02:24 PM
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8,020
S
Simple Searcher Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
S
Joined: Dec 2012
Posts: 8,020
Leaving inferior deer can indeed be problem.
The group that moved off our lease when we took over 12 years ago were all eat up with being trophy hunters. The bragged that no mature trophy was allowed to see another year. They were seeing less trophies than they did and blamed it on the surrounding leases. The problem is they were not culling inferior deer and shooting a doe was like turning in your man card. They were the "gotta get a buck" crew with no idea of management.
We would see 30 does a sitting and were shooting 6-10 year old deer that wouldn't score 110". (Clearly part of the problem was overpopulation). It took eight years of serious killing to get that place in shape.


[Linked Image]
"Man is still a hunter, still a simple searcher after meat..." Robert C. Ruark
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: redchevy] #7694901 12/21/19 02:58 PM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 18,599
E
Erathkid Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
E
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 18,599
Originally Posted by redchevy
I enjoy running trail cams and believe they can help you prepare for making AR decisions. If I was in an AR county I would hang a ruler/yardstick etc. on my feeder leg, feed pen fence etc. for reference in judging deer pre season and it would help recognize deer on the run etc.

I would try and get a good idea of the ear tip spread in the area.

If I shot one that was under, I wouldn't be happy about it, but I don't turn myself in when my speedometer creeps up to 85 mph or when I roll through a stop sign either. We home process our deer from start to finish.

If I was to get checked id fess up to it and be at the wardens mercy.

Yep. Game cameras help pre-determine whether to shoot or not, usually. During the rut you may have 'new' bucks come in though. I'm a fan of ARs but I do have a couple of bucks past their prime that cant be shot. Not interested in going MLD.


Life is too short, as is. Don't chance it.
Don't text and drive.
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: RattlesnakeDan] #7695006 12/21/19 04:42 PM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 17,334
P
Pitchfork Predator Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
P
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 17,334
Originally Posted by RattlesnakeDan
Pelosi would tell you that you have to shoot it in order to see how wide it is.

clap


Marc C. Helfrich
Retirement Planner

www.insured-wealth.com
469-323-8920
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7695013 12/21/19 04:51 PM
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 17,334
P
Pitchfork Predator Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
P
Joined: Jan 2013
Posts: 17,334
I think with technology today it wouldn't be difficult to set up a system to email trail cam pics to area biologist to get a exception to the rule tag to print out....east Texas bucks the last few years prove there's more positive to the rule than negative IMO.


Marc C. Helfrich
Retirement Planner

www.insured-wealth.com
469-323-8920
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7695355 12/21/19 11:17 PM
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 120
P
Pootie Offline
Woodsman
Offline
Woodsman
P
Joined: Sep 2015
Posts: 120
Can you imagine the number of pictures the biologist would get to look at!

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Dalroo] #7695368 12/21/19 11:40 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562
You are a dog breeder. You have a pen with 10 females in it. They are a certain breed. There is a certain time the females will come into heat. Also in this pen you have 3 purebred whatever type the females are and one mongrel. You sell all the purebred males before the females are ready to breed and only the mongrel is left to breed the females. What is the outcome?

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: Pootie] #7695406 12/22/19 12:53 AM
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
S
SnakeWrangler Online Content
THF Celebrity
Online Content
THF Celebrity
S
Joined: Jan 2011
Posts: 50,381
Originally Posted by Pootie
Can you imagine the number of pictures the biologist would get to look at!

I don’t personally see that as a bad thing..... 2cents


Originally Posted By: skinnerback
Milf does the trick.

"You're statistically more likely to be killed by Hillary Clinton than an NRA member. - PolitiDiva

"You Cannot Simultaneously Be Politically Correct And Intellectually Honest!"
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: SnakeWrangler] #7695434 12/22/19 01:35 AM
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,336
O
Old Rabbit Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
Online Content
THF Trophy Hunter
O
Joined: Jul 2011
Posts: 5,336
Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Originally Posted by Pootie
Can you imagine the number of pictures the biologist would get to look at!

I don’t personally see that as a bad thing..... 2cents

Place a reasonable fee on each request say $25. I watched a really narrow buck go from an 8 to a 12 with trash for 3 years before it disappeared. I would gladly payed to get an exemption tag. He was well within his ears on the outside of his rack and I had him at 17 yards several times as he came in to check down wind of a bow hunting setup feeder.

Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: don k] #7695612 12/22/19 05:28 AM
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,650
U
unclebubba Online Content
Extreme Tracker
Online Content
Extreme Tracker
U
Joined: Nov 2011
Posts: 3,650
Originally Posted by don k
Originally Posted by txtrophy85
Originally Posted by Texas Dan
Originally Posted by don k
I am no expert on WT. But having wrote before on my experience in raising Ibex there would seem to be a way for some to be able to try to curb the narrow antler gene. Year after year of letting those bucks breed is only going to make the situation worse. I know if I would let the worse Billies breed the females pretty soon I would be out of business. Maybe for a few years the AR's should be that only bucks with less than a 13 inch spread could be taken. I also realize that the Does are half of the problem. If folks would every year during that time only shoot the oldest Does every year that would get them out of the pool. There also seems to be a problem in those AR counties with the ability to raise Deer. What is that problem? I know around here there are more Deer than ever before. Is the problem predators, parasites or people?


Yes, I would gladly agree with a "one buck - any buck" season every so often as a way to remove these older, narrow-racked deer.

Still, my first preference would be a system where biologists could send via email, tags that could be used after hunters have presented them with photo evidence of a specific buck that should be harvested.



What would happen is a lot of immature bucks hitting the ground.

Antler restrictions are not hurting the herd or propagating a trend to narrow racked bucks because immature bucks breed. These narrow racked mature bucks y’all are referring to are not the only bucks doing the breeding, therefore they are not influencing the genetic pool anymore than normal.

Even under a high fence scenario, culling mature deer isn’t gonna change anything. Culling younger deer with poor antler characteristics does.

I will have to disagree. Every year the best bucks, those with over a 13" spread are taken. That leaves maybe some younger deer that will turn out good but it leaves all the less than 13" older deer to breed. The best bucks may have a chance to do some breeding but it leaves the inferior bucks to the majority of it. I can not see where this type of management is in the future going to help the overall WT quality.

Do you really think that all over 13" bucks get killed? There's plenty of big bucks left to breed. I'm not convinced that culling really has any positive impact on the deer herd.


Originally Posted by txhuntingguide
If I choose to hunt in a coon tail hat, a pink tootoo and hip waders that is my fine...
Re: Antler Restriction Ponderings [Re: unclebubba] #7695663 12/22/19 12:49 PM
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562
D
don k Offline
THF Celebrity
Offline
THF Celebrity
D
Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 12,562


Yes, I would gladly agree with a "one buck - any buck" season every so often as a way to remove these older, narrow-racked deer.

Still, my first preference would be a system where biologists could send via email, tags that could be used after hunters have presented them with photo evidence of a specific buck that should be harvested.
[/quote]


What would happen is a lot of immature bucks hitting the ground.

Antler restrictions are not hurting the herd or propagating a trend to narrow racked bucks because immature bucks breed. These narrow racked mature bucks y’all are referring to are not the only bucks doing the breeding, therefore they are not influencing the genetic pool anymore than normal.

Even under a high fence scenario, culling mature deer isn’t gonna change anything. Culling younger deer with poor antler characteristics does. [/quote]
I will have to disagree. Every year the best bucks, those with over a 13" spread are taken. That leaves maybe some younger deer that will turn out good but it leaves all the less than 13" older deer to breed. The best bucks may have a chance to do some breeding but it leaves the inferior bucks to the majority of it. I can not see where this type of management is in the future going to help the overall WT quality.[/quote]
Do you really think that all over 13" bucks get killed? There's plenty of big bucks left to breed. I'm not convinced that culling really has any positive impact on the deer herd.[/quote]
Isn't only taking Bucks with over a 13" spread actually kind of a reverse culling? With that type of culling I actually see a negative impact on the Deer herd.

Page 2 of 3 1 2 3
Previous Thread
Index
Next Thread

© 2004-2019 OUTDOOR SITES NETWORK all rights reserved USA and Worldwide
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 7.7.3