The little ones sound fun but 35 gr + will probably be the minimum. Although I can just imagine what that 25 gr running in the 4500's will do. We'll see, I've got plenty of time to play with it.

Just seen where Berger makes a 20 cal, 55 Grain Hollow Point Boat tail. Strike that they're discontinued.

If you want to keep up with the latest and the greatest, this is the forum for that.

My wife's uncle (my uncle in law?) in Canton pretty much only shoots coyotes and only shoots .204 Ruger. I wonder if he knows about this 20-250 cartridge?

He claims his .204 Ruger loads can fragment on a single blade of grass, and that ricochet is virtually impossible.

I recall admitting the merits of them when shooting a steel plate at 500 yards. I didn’t say they were the greatest thing for hunting and that has absolutely nothing to do with the OP building a rifle to shoot coyotes out of his truck.

He asked a question and you gave him unsolicited advise suggesting something completely different and when he said that wasn’t what he was looking for you chastised him.

You can hit a steel plate a long ways off with a rifle, we all get it. Whoopty doo. He was asking about building a rifle to hunt with

Peel the jacket of the SOB and deal with the wind. You can lead a horse to water but you cannot make them drink.

I don’t doubt his claim about the little .20 cal varmint bullet being that frangible at high velocity. .224 varmint bullets aren’t much better.

I’ve never had much inclination to mess with .17 or .20 cal bullets, I’d want something with more mass, even for a dedicated coyote rig, I’d be in 22-250, or more likely 22 or 6mm creedmoor mode. Buy we all have different ideas and this isn’t my project so good luck with coyote laser HWYMan..

It must be difficult to go through life as dumb as you are.

Hwy said 500 yards, not me. He's going to try to use a .20 cal to do it. He would be wasting his money. Be like me trying to win a drag race with my dually diesel, not the best tool for the job.

Not my first rodeo when it comes to yote rifles, I've run the caliber circle many times. I've carried 17's, 20's,22's, 24's, 25's and I've even carried a 300 Weathery loaded with 110's, most of them running 4,000 fps +. The funny thing is I always end up with the 243 running 58's to 70 grain pills. The 17's were unreliable as hell and led to lost dog's. The 20's were fast as hell, most of my running shots were made with this caliber but had a few try to run off. 22's were a little better but I really noticed a difference when I went to the 243 running 58's around 3900, if you hit then they wasn't getting back up. Problem with the 243 is speed, that 400 to 500 fps difference is sure noticed on running shots. Jump up to the 257 and the 300 Weatherby and you better have a strong stomach because things get gory. When your shooting yotes out of a truck most of the time it all takes place within about 5 or less seconds.There is no checking the wind, lasering the distance turning a dial, you don't even have time to check mil-dots. Most of the shots are at running or moving yotes, they ain't much for standing still. Rarely do you have them standing still or casually loping across across open ground. They're cutting through cedars, cactus and rocks giving you just a couple of 5 to 10 yard spaces to get a shot off and you better be ready when they cross. This is where speed is King and 4000 is the magic number, the quicker that bullet gets to the target the greater my chances of making the shot. The 20-250 has the speed I'm looking for, just need to find a bullet I like. I'm not in a hurry on this and the 243 is safe for at least the end of the season.

Not trying to argue just a question here:-) If you have had good luck with the 243 but want more speed (4000+) would something like a 243/284 get you there on both accounts? IDK if it would do 58 grains at 4000+ but it might. I know you already bought some parts, so it may be out of the question now, but i was thinking it might get you there. Good luck with your rifle

What are you the main stream media, if your're going to quote me at least get it in context. I said max yards and even said down thread that most of the shots will be under 300.



I personally don't give a care what you do at 500 yards or how often you do it. All I know of you is is what I see on the threads. Here's an example.



Your first comment in a thread discussing a caliber I've already chosen, think that helped? Not one bit. All you did was what you usually do is and that's take a dump in the middle of thread and then spend the rest of the thread defending yourself. I'll try and help you here and maybe you can actually help me, we're talking 20 caliber only, not interested in anything else and I want to move it as fast as I can. Now if you have some advice in that area I'm more than happy to hear it, at least then we'll be on the same page.

Back in the 70's I was shooting a 25-284 and a 6.5 284, I was shooting bench rest then but I did play around with the 25-284 and was able get some pretty decent numbers. 60 grain was the lightest available at the time and I could push it at or just above 4100.

You said max yards is 500. So that means you're going that far out.

Or did you mean 300 is max yards?

A million years ago I was told......... in a land where most all the young men die, beware the old man.


That's the only wisdom this forum will ever get from me

It mean he shoots 500 a very small percentage of the time and he wants as flat shooting as he can get because what he shoots the vast majority of the time it will do perfectly.

I repeat, it's his ability to understand that comes into question. He just don't get it. Oh well!

I read clearly what you wrote, and I understand it just fine.

I hope you find what you're looking for.

I get thru life pretty effing easily and have a lot of fun doing it. Enough to where I don’t have to make myself feel vastly superior to unknown others on an Internet forum


I’m sure Hwy man has shot a lot more coyotes than you, it’s not his first or even 10th rodeo. He knows what he is looking for and why he is looking for it

Hey Mike, I wonder what a .20BR would do? I flat love that case in my 22 and 6 BRs

No hold over.

Looks like it's going to run short of what I'm looking for, I'm seeing 4000 fps with a 40 grain.

Wasn’t the .204 Ruger running 4200 with that same grain ?

I believe that was a 32 grain, their showing 3900 with the 40.

You like to deflect, like your idol N.P. because of lack of brain power.

You missed the point of about 3 different things.

Disagreements are spirited and often educational. Degrading personal insults are unbecoming.

Well if I got this far with a lack of brain power imagine where I would be with your intellectual fortitude. Probably have my own space exploration company or be a shipping mogul or something