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Re: Deer down and back up and walked off [Re: redchevy] #7678704 12/03/19 05:00 PM
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Originally Posted by redchevy
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What makes the SST such a superior hunting bullet? Let me guess is it the pretty red tip?

Ive had my share of pizz poor luck with Hornady interlock bullets, of which a sst is a variant.


Nah, it destroys everything I've shot. Almost every deer I lung shoot has jello insides. You put it on a shoulder and it will completely ruin that shoulder.

It's just a superior hunting round for deer over a core lokt type bullet.
I do love a core lokt type bullet for neck shooting pigs though.

You know pretty much the only difference in the two is one has a pretty red tip right?


Little more then that. SST has basically a crimp AND what they call a interlock ring(a jacket that extends into the core), and boat tail designs.

Corelok just a crimp and flat base and known to separate severely with high velocity calibers


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Originally Posted by KWood_TSU
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What makes the SST such a superior hunting bullet? Let me guess is it the pretty red tip?

Ive had my share of pizz poor luck with Hornady interlock bullets, of which a sst is a variant.


Nah, it destroys everything I've shot. Almost every deer I lung shoot has jello insides. You put it on a shoulder and it will completely ruin that shoulder.

It's just a superior hunting round for deer over a core lokt type bullet.
I do love a core lokt type bullet for neck shooting pigs though.


I've used Core lokt for 30 years. I may have missed a few animals but the ones i hit never went more than 10 yards. Then again, after a few misses I'm very patient when it comes to my shots. That's the archer side of me. Buck fever? I get that after the shot, strange but true.


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Yeah the interlock ring is a gimic if you ask me on the SST's. It is or was located at the base of the bullet and does not stop, or for me has not stopped jacket core separation in either 150 grain .277's 154 grain .284's or 220 grain .308's.

In the newer ELDX the interlock ring is located near the center of the bullet. I don't know if that is the difference or using 175 grainers out of a 7mm08 at 2600 fps, but ive had much better experiences with it on the two critters I have collected with it.(first year I have had it)


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Sounds like an above the spine hit as said before or possibly nicked an antler. I nicked an antler once, the buck dropped like a brick and 30 seconds later was leaving the area. Buddy was watching and said I hit antler....

My brother in law shot a doe this year with a 30-06 at about 75 yards using an SST. Hit behind the shoulder, deer ran a ways before dropping. .30 cal hole going in and only slightly larger coming out. I never had a core lokt do that. I use SST's for heavier game...

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Re: Deer down and back up and walked off [Re: Stump_jumper] #7678718 12/03/19 05:12 PM
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Years ago I was hunting with my oldest son, who was 12 at the time, and we experienced nearly the exact same thing. The buck went down and started kicking, then was still for a few seconds, then got up a ran off. We searched a total of 8 hours looking for that buck. No blood, bone, hair - nothing. Next spring we found that bucks shed, with a bullet crease in the main beam. Son must have jerked the trigger and knocked that deer silly for a minute.


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Re: Deer down and back up and walked off [Re: hook_n_line] #7678729 12/03/19 05:21 PM
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I've seen more things hit and survive with the Remington Core Lokt than all other rounds combined. I saw one deer get shot square in the shoulder, exactly like you're describing and it survived another 4 years.

In my opinion, with very limited knowledge it's the round. Sounds like your daughter can shoot, and clearly the caliber is plenty for a whitetail. Change up to a Federal, Hornady, or something else that'll group out of your gun.

Good luck.

I gave been shooting Core Lokts for 40 years and never had a deer walk away. They shoot best our oc loads I have tried


I have had the same experience but 3 weeks ago I watched a buddy shoot a doe high behind the shoulder just under the backstrap. She is still alive and you can see the hole on both sides. First time I ever saw that and I couldn't believe it myself. 150 grain 30.06


I just talked to my buddy. He was shooting Winchester ballistic tip 150 grain 30.06 We did find one little piece of meat on the ground.


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IMHO, aiming for the rear of the shoulder offers a larger margin for error than aiming for the top of the shoulder. I know some tout the top of the shoulder as being better since it's closer to the spine but there's no denying it places the bullet away from the center point of the heart and lungs.


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Re: Deer down and back up and walked off [Re: Stump_jumper] #7678879 12/03/19 07:53 PM
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Re: Deer down and back up and walked off [Re: Texas Dan] #7679088 12/04/19 12:14 AM
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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
IMHO, aiming for the rear of the shoulder offers a larger margin for error than aiming for the top of the shoulder. I know some tout the top of the shoulder as being better since it's closer to the spine but there's no denying it places the bullet away from the center point of the heart and lungs.

A lot of truth in this. There is a pie plate worth of dead dear behind the shoulder through both lungs. High shoulder and neck shots have very little margin of error.

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She missed her shot. It happens. It happened to me. Once. In 1998. It happens.


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I’ve had people claim that the concussion from a bullet going by at close range can be enough to knock out an animal. Somehow I always had trouble believing it, but I have a buddy that swears by it. If that were true, it would explain what happened here.

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Deer don’t always die. I have a video of a buck that was shot high that was clearly a hit but had zero blood and if not for the video we would have called it a miss. Looked for hours and not a bit of hair, blood, etc. and no recovery. Bad shots happen. Good shots happen, neither is a guarantee on a kill shot.

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Originally Posted by HS2
I’ve had people claim that the concussion from a bullet going by at close range can be enough to knock out an animal.


So, what would cause this then? What does the bullet do just going by that would cause enough energy or disturbance to you or an animal to do this? Seriously. (The only other person I know who believes this is Keith Warren).

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Originally Posted by HS2
I’ve had people claim that the concussion from a bullet going by at close range can be enough to knock out an animal. Somehow I always had trouble believing it, but I have a buddy that swears by it. If that were true, it would explain what happened here.


It’s not true.

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Originally Posted by Sneaky
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I’ve had people claim that the concussion from a bullet going by at close range can be enough to knock out an animal. Somehow I always had trouble believing it, but I have a buddy that swears by it. If that were true, it would explain what happened here.


It’s not true.


I had a guy at the gun range shooting in the booth next to me that would knock my cap off from the concussion so I believe it! roflmao

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Originally Posted by Sneaky
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I’ve had people claim that the concussion from a bullet going by at close range can be enough to knock out an animal. Somehow I always had trouble believing it, but I have a buddy that swears by it. If that were true, it would explain what happened here.


It’s not true.



Very true. I shot a turkey with my 30-06 at 30 yards. The turkey just fell over like normal. I went to the turkey, no feathers on the ground, nothing. Went back to camp gutted it, everything still together. Went ahead and skinned it, no bullet holes, nothing. Strangest thing I have ever seen

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Maybe it had a heart attack? Maybe you didn't find the hole? You can place me firmly in the camp that the forces generated by a bullet whizzing past an animal aren't sufficient to kill it.

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Originally Posted by jumpnjohnfish
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I’ve had people claim that the concussion from a bullet going by at close range can be enough to knock out an animal. Somehow I always had trouble believing it, but I have a buddy that swears by it. If that were true, it would explain what happened here.


It’s not true.



Very true. I shot a turkey with my 30-06 at 30 yards. The turkey just fell over like normal. I went to the turkey, no feathers on the ground, nothing. Went back to camp gutted it, everything still together. Went ahead and skinned it, no bullet holes, nothing. Strangest thing I have ever seen


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Originally Posted by jumpnjohnfish
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I’ve had people claim that the concussion from a bullet going by at close range can be enough to knock out an animal. Somehow I always had trouble believing it, but I have a buddy that swears by it. If that were true, it would explain what happened here.


It’s not true.



Very true. I shot a turkey with my 30-06 at 30 yards. The turkey just fell over like normal. I went to the turkey, no feathers on the ground, nothing. Went back to camp gutted it, everything still together. Went ahead and skinned it, no bullet holes, nothing. Strangest thing I have ever seen

It only works with a .50 BMG. Ask Keith Warren! LOL.

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Happens quite often with high shoulder shots that aren't perfectly placed. Bullet passes over the vitals and over the spine. Stuns them for a bit, then they're up and gone. My good buddy stxranchman loves the high shoulder shot and it is deadly if perfectly executed. If you're a little low, you're still good. If you're a little high, you'll probably lose the deer. I've shot a few deer in the high shoulder and they dropped like a rock and never moved.

But my preferred shot is my vertical cross hair just inside the back edge of the front leg, where the white meets the brown, with the horizontal cross hair dead center in the deer's shoulder. Prefer the deer to be broadside and have both front legs underneath himself and aligned. Shoot them there and you'll never lose a deer.

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Originally Posted by redchevy
Maybe it had a heart attack? Maybe you didn't find the hole? You can place me firmly in the camp that the forces generated by a bullet whizzing past an animal aren't sufficient to kill it.


My guess is it did have a heart attach after the shot was so close to him.

And yes my I did miss the turkey at that close of a range
With a 180 grain bullet on a turkey, There will and has been carnage to them

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I tell my daughter to put it right in the middle of the shoulder. Myself I normally only take neck shots.

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Originally Posted by Stump_jumper
I tell my daughter to put it right in the middle of the shoulder. Myself I normally only take neck shots.

I tell my wife the same, Aim dead middle of the shoulder, straight up the front leg 1/2 way between back and brisket.

Sometimes we get a miss, sometimes we get a shoulder shot, sometimes we get a behind the shoulder shot lol. She needs more range time.


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Wasn’t a bullet issue at all. She nicked the spine and knocked it down and out. Buck woke up and left. I’ve done the same thing on a nice 10 point.


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