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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/29/19 04:49 AM
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If stuff like this continues, things will go bad quickly. There will be a tipping point where officers see the active shooter's vehicle in front of them, and rather than initiating a rolling gun battle, they won't say a word and will take the next exit out of self preservation. It will start happening, the absolute courage to be in a gunfight will be there, but the fear of the consequences in this new era of extreme police accountably, will make them not engage.
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/29/19 06:13 AM
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If stuff like this continues, things will go bad quickly. There will be a tipping point where officers see the active shooter's vehicle in front of them, and rather than initiating a rolling gun battle, they won't say a word and will take the next exit out of self preservation. It will start happening, the absolute courage to be in a gunfight will be there, but the fear of the consequences in this new era of extreme police accountably, will make them not engage. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...officer-never-went-school-during-n850441
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/29/19 01:15 PM
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Texas has a peace officer exemption for situations like this. Chapter 9.51 That's not absolute. A prosecutor can still argue the officer's actions weren't reasonable under the circumstances. When you have words like reasonable and belief, they can always be argued. That's the problem I see with the direction things are going - lawyers are trying to change what is or is not reasonable for officers.
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/29/19 01:24 PM
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Texas has a peace officer exemption for situations like this. Chapter 9.51 That's not absolute. A prosecutor can still argue the officer's actions weren't reasonable under the circumstances. When you have words like reasonable and belief, they can always be argued. That's the problem I see with the direction things are going - lawyers are trying to change what is or is not reasonable for officers. Yep. Just lawyers doing what lawyers do. Prostitutes are better people. At least they earn their money without having to lie or steal. Pardon my bitterness...
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/29/19 03:18 PM
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He'll be found not guilty after a record short jury deliberation. Hopefully so, sadly though he will be out about 30 grand for a jury trial defense as well as the stress of worrying about all this. Isn’t there a police union or program that covers that as long as your found innocent? Nope, the labor organizations make sure we don't get fired for no good reason and represent us for promotional issues ect ect, but if we get indicted, the monthly membership dues don't cover criminal defenses. He's in for a horrible ride unfortunately. You need a better organization. DPA covers you until the guilty verdict is read.
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/29/19 03:20 PM
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Many years ago I was issued discipline for not terminating a pursuit with armed robbery suspects because they were shooting at us during the pursuit. Never mind the fact that had robbed multiple businesses at gun point the days before, including that day just before the pursuit started, and had shot a few of the employees along the way.
It’s a sad new world
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/29/19 07:39 PM
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Your association is an anomaly in that regard.
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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If stuff like this continues, things will go bad quickly. There will be a tipping point where officers see the active shooter's vehicle in front of them, and rather than initiating a rolling gun battle, they won't say a word and will take the next exit out of self preservation. It will start happening, the absolute courage to be in a gunfight will be there, but the fear of the consequences in this new era of extreme police accountably, will make them not engage. https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-new...officer-never-went-school-during-n850441The story you posted lacked what I highlighted in red.
R.I.P. CPO Matt Mills-(DEVGRU)- You will NEVER be forgotten! 10-25-75 / 8-6-11 *K.I.A.*
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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11/30/19 12:57 AM
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Do they not have a TMPA or CLEAT type organization up there
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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Re: Oklahoma officer takes out active shooter gets indicted for murder
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Waiting for someone to chime in with the usual “I respect law enforcement but this was excessive.”
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