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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES [Re: J1734] #7658806 11/11/19 08:29 PM
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Originally Posted by J1734
1. 6.5 creedmoor
2. 6.5 creedmoor
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4. 6.5 creedmoor
5. 6.5 creedmoor


Ditto

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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES [Re: skinnerback] #7659566 11/12/19 03:47 PM
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Originally Posted by skinnerback
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.243 Winchester - too sporadic of performance on deer yet it continues to be pushed. This is a round that needed to be put out to pasture a long time ago


YES!!




That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.



I find it interesting you "cullers" seem to think that actually hunting and riding around at night shooting deer are the same thing. I have found a lot you you 243 swilling "cullers" have little real life experience actually hunting in difficult conditions. I have used the 243 a lot and found it no better or worse than my 22-250 and 223 as long as I treated all three the same, as guns adequate with perfectly placed shots that don't require a lot of bone breaking or penetration to get what you need. If you use tough controlled expanding bullets you get narrow wound channels, if you use fast expanding bullets you get shallow penetration and if you use a compromise bullet you get compromise. I have never lost a deer shot with a 243 but have trailed a few that went much farther than the same hit with a 7-08 or 308 would have allowed. I have also had do trail many deer shot by others that left poor blood trails, made it into thick thorn brush and were hell to recover that were shot with 223,22-250 and 243 rifles. Some of which were not recovered. Sooner or later it will happen to you, your luck will run out.

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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES [Re: JCB] #7659635 11/12/19 04:37 PM
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Never had a 243. There's a pretty well known ranch south of Corpus where the guides almost all used to carry 243s. I bet they still do. As sensible as these people all were, I can't imagine it was because the cartridge was not effective.

I have never shot a deer with either of my 223s. Just haven't. My 22-250 is a different story. It's a head & neck shot genius. BAM down again. I would not put the sights of my 22-250 on the body of a large deer. That's asking for issues.

This is an interesting sentence, "I have found a lot you you 243 swilling "cullers" have little real life experience actually hunting in difficult conditions." This is the conundrum provided by someone who might have something useful to provide. It helps to demonstrate "a know it all" attitude, diminishing the value of the experience of others and also diminishes much of what is said later in the post.

Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES [Re: rickt300] #7659825 11/12/19 07:49 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt300
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Originally Posted by txtrophy85


.243 Winchester - too sporadic of performance on deer yet it continues to be pushed. This is a round that needed to be put out to pasture a long time ago


YES!!




That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.



I find it interesting you "cullers" seem to think that actually hunting and riding around at night shooting deer are the same thing. I have found a lot you you 243 swilling "cullers" have little real life experience actually hunting in difficult conditions. I have used the 243 a lot and found it no better or worse than my 22-250 and 223 as long as I treated all three the same, as guns adequate with perfectly placed shots that don't require a lot of bone breaking or penetration to get what you need. If you use tough controlled expanding bullets you get narrow wound channels, if you use fast expanding bullets you get shallow penetration and if you use a compromise bullet you get compromise. I have never lost a deer shot with a 243 but have trailed a few that went much farther than the same hit with a 7-08 or 308 would have allowed. I have also had do trail many deer shot by others that left poor blood trails, made it into thick thorn brush and were hell to recover that were shot with 223,22-250 and 243 rifles. Some of which were not recovered. Sooner or later it will happen to you, your luck will run out.



Been using a 243 (and tons of other calibers) for about 50 years now. In your expert opinion, when will my luck run out?

Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES [Re: rickt300] #7659930 11/12/19 09:17 PM
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Originally Posted by rickt300
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I find it interesting you "cullers" seem to think that actually hunting and riding around at night shooting deer are the same thing. I have found a lot you you 243 swilling "cullers" have little real life experience actually hunting in difficult conditions. I have used the 243 a lot and found it no better or worse than my 22-250 and 223 as long as I treated all three the same, as guns adequate with perfectly placed shots that don't require a lot of bone breaking or penetration to get what you need. If you use tough controlled expanding bullets you get narrow wound channels, if you use fast expanding bullets you get shallow penetration and if you use a compromise bullet you get compromise. I have never lost a deer shot with a 243 but have trailed a few that went much farther than the same hit with a 7-08 or 308 would have allowed. I have also had do trail many deer shot by others that left poor blood trails, made it into thick thorn brush and were hell to recover that were shot with 223,22-250 and 243 rifles. Some of which were not recovered. Sooner or later it will happen to you, your luck will run out.


I've culled well over 100 whitetail does, and almost that many aoudad sheep. NONE of them at night. Just because you haven't had the best luck with a 243, it hardly equates to labeling it an inadequate cartridge for medium game. You've either used the wrong bullets, made marginal shots, don't understand how certain bullets are designed to perform, or a combo of the three. If you had much experience at all actually killing deer sized game you'd also know that you could use the exact same cartridge, rifle, bullet combo on numerous animals and they could possible behave differently upon impact every time. You seem to believe that marginal shots with bigger calibers/cartidges make up for poor shooting, which is a farce.

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I find it interesting you "cullers" seem to think that actually hunting and riding around at night shooting deer are the same thing. I have found a lot you you 243 swilling "cullers" have little real life experience actually hunting in difficult conditions. I have used the 243 a lot and found it no better or worse than my 22-250 and 223 as long as I treated all three the same, as guns adequate with perfectly placed shots that don't require a lot of bone breaking or penetration to get what you need. If you use tough controlled expanding bullets you get narrow wound channels, if you use fast expanding bullets you get shallow penetration and if you use a compromise bullet you get compromise. I have never lost a deer shot with a 243 but have trailed a few that went much farther than the same hit with a 7-08 or 308 would have allowed. I have also had do trail many deer shot by others that left poor blood trails, made it into thick thorn brush and were hell to recover that were shot with 223,22-250 and 243 rifles. Some of which were not recovered. Sooner or later it will happen to you, your luck will run out.


I've culled well over 100 whitetail does, and almost that many aoudad sheep. NONE of them at night. Just because you haven't had the best luck with a 243, it hardly equates to labeling it an inadequate cartridge for medium game. You've either used the wrong bullets, made marginal shots, don't understand how certain bullets are designed to perform, or a combo of the three. If you had much experience at all actually killing deer sized game you'd also know that you could use the exact same cartridge, rifle, bullet combo on numerous animals and they could possible behave differently upon impact every time. You seem to believe that marginal shots with bigger calibers/cartidges make up for poor shooting, which is a farce.


Agree with this 100%

When my son and I returned to camp last year with his first buck ever I couldn't believe all the responses. "Man what rifle did he shoot that with?" "Look at that exit channel"

Weird looks all around when I said "60 year old Winchester .243 with $15 dollar Remington Core Loks"
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Originally Posted by txtrophy85


.243 Winchester - too sporadic of performance on deer yet it continues to be pushed. This is a round that needed to be put out to pasture a long time ago


YES!!




That’s the dumbest thing I’ve ever heard.



I find it interesting you "cullers" seem to think that actually hunting and riding around at night shooting deer are the same thing. I have found a lot you you 243 swilling "cullers" have little real life experience actually hunting in difficult conditions.





Say what? I'm taking this as being directed at me. I've done quite a bit of cull shooting on several ranches but never at night....
roflmao

I've hunted the brush country of South Texas exclusively for over 35 yrs, several of those years I worked as a guide often taking paid hunters out on foot....in the brush. I don't need a lesson on bullet construction and wound channels. Most of the deer in my life that I wasn't able to recover were shot by hunters with LARGE caliber rifles. The 22-250 and 243 have served me well all of these years. When is my luck going to run out?

Anyway what do I know. Adios, carry on... up

Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES [Re: ScottA] #7660236 11/13/19 02:14 AM
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I still love my .243 's have a Ruger and a Sako. Light weight and accurate. However I have been shooting a Sako 75 .270 for seven years. Long walks at the lease I would rather the lighter weight!


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I have found the lighter the weight of the rifle, the harder it is to steady.

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I have found the lighter the weight of the rifle, the harder it is to steady.


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Re: TOP 5 OVER RATED CARTRIDGES [Re: JCB] #7660596 11/13/19 02:31 PM
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.243 fan here!
Been killing deer for many, many years, and probably going to run out of luck soon if I don't retire my .243! roflmao



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Once i learned that i didn't "NEED" to kill something, and that if i did kill something all the fun stopped and work began, i was a much better hunter.
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It’s all opinions but it’s hard for me to believe the .308 is considered overrated.

I’ve found it to be an excellent caliber for hunting


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$1,200 dollars on a vet bill? Guessing here I just don’t get it. So glad I ran over my last dog and didn’t replace her.

Hudbone posted that....what a turd
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