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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
[Re: TXRobTRX]
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10/23/19 12:24 PM
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I do not claim to have anywhere near the experience that you guys have, but it seems to me that some are making this way too complex or expensive.
If you are staying short action, it seems to me a 308/6.5 in a decent aftermarket stock (or upgraded factory stock) with an 18" barrel shooting proven hunting rounds will be sub 1 MOA, function flawlessly, and will DRT at anything below 300 yards, which is 98% of the hunting being done. If you look at long action, then 270/30-06 or equivalent is the same thing.
Remington, Savage, Tikka, or Ruger all get the job done and your out the door built for less than $1,000 not counting optic or suppressor.
Genuinely curious - am I missing something in this discussion? Sort of. As I posted earlier, with a velocity capped at around 1,000fps to be subsonic, you can only gain energy by more bullet mass. While the 6.5s and .308s are great supersonic, 6.5 bullets generally top out around 140gr. and pushed at subsonic velocity will give you about 300ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle...about 50-70ft-lbs less than a 115gr. 9mm. I don't think any of us are likely to recommend hunting with a 9mm, and certainly not out to 300 yards. .308 subsonic can give you a bit more energy, but you're still only at around 480ft-lbs, or about what a .45ACP pistol will give you. If the original post-er is willing to remove the subsonic velocity cap and shoot supersonic through a suppressor, everything changes and you aren't missing a thing.
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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/23/19 02:20 PM
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I had Chad build me a gun specifically for hunting and hitting some plates. It's a Tikka action, Krieger #5 barrel cut to 17", in a Manners EHTA stock. I also had him load up come ammo and went with Hornady 162 Eldm. I may change ammo for hunting as it didn't exactly do what I prefer in a hunting bullet tested on two Axis deer. But for shooting targets, the ammo is very accurate! Chad knows his stuff!
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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
[Re: FRA]
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10/23/19 04:07 PM
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I do not claim to have anywhere near the experience that you guys have, but it seems to me that some are making this way too complex or expensive.
If you are staying short action, it seems to me a 308/6.5 in a decent aftermarket stock (or upgraded factory stock) with an 18" barrel shooting proven hunting rounds will be sub 1 MOA, function flawlessly, and will DRT at anything below 300 yards, which is 98% of the hunting being done. If you look at long action, then 270/30-06 or equivalent is the same thing.
Remington, Savage, Tikka, or Ruger all get the job done and your out the door built for less than $1,000 not counting optic or suppressor.
Genuinely curious - am I missing something in this discussion? Sort of. As I posted earlier, with a velocity capped at around 1,000fps to be subsonic, you can only gain energy by more bullet mass. While the 6.5s and .308s are great supersonic, 6.5 bullets generally top out around 140gr. and pushed at subsonic velocity will give you about 300ft-lbs of energy at the muzzle...about 50-70ft-lbs less than a 115gr. 9mm. I don't think any of us are likely to recommend hunting with a 9mm, and certainly not out to 300 yards. .308 subsonic can give you a bit more energy, but you're still only at around 480ft-lbs, or about what a .45ACP pistol will give you. If the original post-er is willing to remove the subsonic velocity cap and shoot supersonic through a suppressor, everything changes and you aren't missing a thing. Unless I missed it, the original poster never mentioned subsonic, just suppressed.
https://web.archive.org/web/20170223065011/http:/www.rrdvegas.com/silencer-cleaning.html
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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
[Re: QuitShootinYoungBucks]
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10/23/19 04:19 PM
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Unless I missed it, the original poster never mentioned subsonic, just suppressed.
Rectal memory on my part combining what I read here and Chad's .28 Nosler subsonic thread.
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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/23/19 04:49 PM
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I have two shorter barreled bolt actions, 16" 308 and 17" 7mm08 Both in McMillan stocks the 308 started as a Tikka CTR that Morgan chopped and threaded at 16, sttock trigger and Mountain Tactical DBM for AI mags I have ran 150g to 178 ELDX which is what I have settled on. It is very deadly and since I dial for elevation past 200 I wanted the heavy bullet for out to 500 yards hunting, more energy and less wind drift. The 7mm08 started as a Savage lightweight hunter that had the barrel swapped for a McGowen that was tapered like an AR barrel, I run 140 Accubonds out of, Nosler's factory ammo, it was more accurate than anything else. Timney trigger, CDI DBM for AI mags Both run Crux cans This is my son's buck from last year, nice cull buck My 308
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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
[Re: txtrophy85]
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10/25/19 03:11 AM
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FRA - agree with you if we are only discussing subsonic....
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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
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10/25/19 02:10 PM
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Sort of. As I posted earlier, with a velocity capped at around 1,000fps to be subsonic
Who gives a $hit about subsonic? I thought we were talking about hunting rifles. Subsonic and hunting shoudln't even be used in the same sentence for 99.99% of the practical use cases out there. You are really muddying up the waters here.
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Re: If one was to build a suppressed hunting rifle....
[Re: Crews]
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10/25/19 02:20 PM
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Who gives a $hit about subsonic? I thought we were talking about hunting rifles. Subsonic and hunting shoudln't even be used in the same sentence for 99.99% of the practical use cases out there. You are really muddying up the waters here.
We've already hashed this out once that I was confusing two threads I was following about suppressed rifles. But, for your benefit as a fellow window-licker, here is the link to the other one on the Texas "Hunting" Forum about "subsonic." https://texashuntingforum.com/forum/ubbthreads.php/topics/7630263/28-nosler-subsonic#Post7630263
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