Forums46
Topics537,811
Posts9,729,403
Members87,042
|
Most Online25,604 Feb 12th, 2024
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: ducknbass]
#7634046
10/16/19 02:55 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,617
pegasaurus
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,617 |
Things neither side is looking at. 1. It's terrible that these people live in a world where they can't call or go knock on the neighbors door to check on them. It's not wrong to call the police just sad that they don't know their neighbors. 2. It's sad that we live in a world where police are being ambushed. To deny that fact would be ignorant. So these officers are trained to think hey this may be an ambush.... How terrible is that? To go to work thinking someone wants to kill you. Which makes every interaction worse. Then it's a self fulfilling prophecy. They are nervous and.things like this happen. So the public has less trust and more disdain.
Putting that officer to death by a firing squad will not fix the problem. No new laws, no protesting, no difference in training. It will get worse and worse and worse. True to an extent. Not all of the population feels this way. Some people are being taught to feel this way. There are lawyers and politicians that want to profit from these things and they must keep that narrative alive. I for one don’t feel threatened by the police. It’s not because of how I was born. It is because I highly respect the job and I know the street or sidewalk is not the place to debate the commands that might be directed at me. The job tough enough without all this added in and above all else, the goal is to try your best to do some good for someone else and go home safe at the end of the shift.
Funny thing about getting older: Your eyesight starts getting weaker but your ability to see through people's BS gets much better.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
#7634056
10/16/19 03:01 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,630
Greg
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,630 |
How was the call dispatched to the officers? Has anyone actually seen that yet? I know the neighbor called non-emergency. But “IF” the dispatcher sent the call out as a burglary instead of a welfare check, I could possibly see the reason for the officers to have guns drawn and searching around. Then when you get in front of the window and a person on the other side has a gun pointed at you... things happen real fast...as they did.
The reason I bring this up is because yesterday I read something somewhere that someone said it was dispatched as a burglary/open structure, but I can’t find where it was now. I think there is a lot more to this story still to come out.
That could be a game changer in my opinion.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Greg]
#7634073
10/16/19 03:18 PM
|
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 20,228
janie
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Aug 2005
Posts: 20,228 |
Then when you get in front of the window and a person on the other side has a gun pointed at you... things happen real fast...as they did.
This is what has me wondering. Did she have her firearm pointed at the officer? In the vid he holler's "your hands, let me see your hands" If her pistol was aimed at the officer, wouldn't he instead yell "Police, drop your weapon" No matter how you slice it, this is a horrible situation for all involved, and my heart aches for that young child who witnessed the shooting.
He is your friend defender your dog. Be worthy of such devotion
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: beaversnipe]
#7634082
10/16/19 03:22 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 110,795
dogcatcher
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 110,795 |
To play video games at 2:30 am with hour lil nephew is awesome parenting. It was Saturday night, not a school night. It has always been a late night for our kids.
Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back. _____________"Illegitimus non carborundum est"_______________
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: dogcatcher]
#7634089
10/16/19 03:24 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 33,328
bigbob_ftw
OP
Big Sprocket Bob
|
OP
Big Sprocket Bob
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 33,328 |
To play video games at 2:30 am with hour lil nephew is awesome parenting. It was Saturday night, not a school night. It has always been a late night for our kids. you suck as a parent.
Ultra MAGA '24.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
#7634092
10/16/19 03:28 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 110,795
dogcatcher
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2006
Posts: 110,795 |
To play video games at 2:30 am with hour lil nephew is awesome parenting. It was Saturday night, not a school night. It has always been a late night for our kids. you suck as a parent. And the grandkids love us.
Combat Infantryman, the ultimate hunter where the prey shoots back. _____________"Illegitimus non carborundum est"_______________
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: janie]
#7634096
10/16/19 03:31 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,630
Greg
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 10,630 |
Then when you get in front of the window and a person on the other side has a gun pointed at you... things happen real fast...as they did.
This is what has me wondering. Did she have her firearm pointed at the officer? In the vid he holler's "your hands, let me see your hands" If her pistol was aimed at the officer, wouldn't he instead yell "Police, drop your weapon" No matter how you slice it, this is a horrible situation for all involved, and my heart aches for that young child who witnessed the shooting. “Apparently” the media is saying the boy said she got the gun out of her purse and aimed it at the window because they saw/heard people snooping around. The officer hardly got the words out of his mouth before he fired, so I’m assuming he felt threatened. The other officer was not in front of that window so probably didn’t see what happened. Agree it is a horrible situation. I just can’t help but think there is more to the story because why would both officers not announce themselves if it was just a welfare call. Everyone on this forum knows to do that and most aren’t law enforcement. Something doesn’t make sense.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
#7634175
10/16/19 04:37 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,617
pegasaurus
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,617 |
I had an officer show up alone at my house many years ago and knock on my door. He said they received a 911 hang up call from the house and wanted to speak to my wife. He also wanted to know if I had kids and where they are. He asked me to step outside and wait on the porch until he was able to verify everything was ok. Kids were 5 - 6 yr old at the time and were napping in their beds. Wife verified all was fine and that she didn’t make the call. He apologized for the disturbance and shook my hand as he left. No sneaking around and no guns drawn. Just an explanation of why he was there and that he needed to verify safety of everyone inside. Granted, that was 16 years a ago and in Flower Mound. But, I would expect nothing different from them today. Except maybe, not coming alone.
Like I said in an earlier post.. It is sad that the politicians and lawyers are trying to perpetuate this hate of the people we rely on when we need help.
Funny thing about getting older: Your eyesight starts getting weaker but your ability to see through people's BS gets much better.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: pegasaurus]
#7634217
10/16/19 05:11 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344
Duck_Hunter
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344 |
Things neither side is looking at. 1. It's terrible that these people live in a world where they can't call or go knock on the neighbors door to check on them. It's not wrong to call the police just sad that they don't know their neighbors. 2. It's sad that we live in a world where police are being ambushed. To deny that fact would be ignorant. So these officers are trained to think hey this may be an ambush.... How terrible is that? To go to work thinking someone wants to kill you. Which makes every interaction worse. Then it's a self fulfilling prophecy. They are nervous and.things like this happen. So the public has less trust and more disdain.
Putting that officer to death by a firing squad will not fix the problem. No new laws, no protesting, no difference in training. It will get worse and worse and worse. True to an extent. Not all of the population feels this way. Some people are being taught to feel this way. There are lawyers and politicians that want to profit from these things and they must keep that narrative alive. I for one don’t feel threatened by the police. It’s not because of how I was born. It is because I highly respect the job and I know the street or sidewalk is not the place to debate the commands that might be directed at me. The job tough enough without all this added in and above all else, the goal is to try your best to do some good for someone else and go home safe at the end of the shift. I think you’re over complicating it. Does the media and politicians complicate things? Sure, but I don’t think it’s to the extent that you are making it out to be. I think people have a reasonable expectation of not being gunned down in their house by police officers making a mistake. When it happens, especially twice in 13 months thirty miles from each other, people are understandably going to be upset and concerned. It also happened a few years ago in Fort Worth when two rookie officers went to the wrong address and shot the home owner in his garage. I was raised to respect law enforcement and I do to this day. I don’t understand the rush to justify the LEOs that so obviously make mistakes that should never happen. I don’t think it does anything positive for the vast majority of the LEOs who are great at their job. In fact, I think it does a disservice to them and makes their jobs infinitely harder (that’s reality, not that I think it should be that way). The FW interim chief said as much during his press conference, where he mentioned this will set back their community relations. So far, I think FWPD has done a very good job of handling the situation and trying to be forthright publicly, saying he would’ve fired the cop for breaking protocol even if he hadn’t shot anyone, etc. It’s a hard job complicated by many growing issues. I’ve said many times I couldn’t do it. I respect the hell out of those who do, and I think it takes a special person to do it. I thank God for them. I just don’t see the purpose or benefit of trying to justify the ones that screw up so blatantly.* *and I say that with reservation. There are some facts that need to be confirmed that may change a few things, but ultimately I don’t think the officer acted appropriately and he should have been fired and arrested/charged.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
#7634231
10/16/19 05:21 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 35,118
Brother in-law
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 35,118 |
What did the Officer do blatantly?
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Brother in-law]
#7634332
10/16/19 06:48 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088
cleatas
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088 |
What did the Officer do blatantly? Nothing besides shoot before being shot. Now with that aside, we don’t know a lot of the details that will later come out such as what they believed they were responding to and why they chose not to knock on the door. I would assume they were just scanning the area and seeing if anything looked out of the norm before making their presence known and he got a gun pointed at him. I still think the weapon went off before he intended for it to. Just my opinion...and them saying he isn’t cooperating isn’t exactly right either. He chose to remain silent just like anyone else would have and not incriminate himself.
''Tis better to be silent and be THOUGHT a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
#7634334
10/16/19 06:49 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088
cleatas
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088 |
And I figure they were listening to see if they could hear anything going on inside.
''Tis better to be silent and be THOUGHT a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: cleatas]
#7634411
10/16/19 08:09 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344
Duck_Hunter
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344 |
What did the Officer do blatantly? Nothing besides shoot before being shot. Now with that aside, we don’t know a lot of the details that will later come out such as what they believed they were responding to and why they chose not to knock on the door. I would assume they were just scanning the area and seeing if anything looked out of the norm before making their presence known and he got a gun pointed at him. I still think the weapon went off before he intended for it to. Just my opinion...and them saying he isn’t cooperating isn’t exactly right either. He chose to remain silent just like anyone else would have and not incriminate himself. You both missed that I said ...”the ONES that screw up so blatantly,” which encompasses officers like Amber Guyger and the guy recently who planted drugs during a hundred traffic stops. You both also ignored what I wrote with an asterisk next to it, but here is what the chief of police said about it: “Human life is a precious thing and should not have been taken from Ms. Jefferson," he said. "[To the public] I ask you please do not let the actions of one officer reflect on the other 1,700. There's absolutely no excuse for this incident and the person responsible will be held accountable."While taking questions during a press conference Tuesday, Kraus grew emotional when describing the morale of the police department, saying while "officers are hurting" over the shooting, he has not encountered an officer who disagrees with the decision to arrest Aaron Dean."I don't have any officer saying this action should not have been taken against this individual, this officer. I'm getting the complete opposite response. 'Chief thank you for being quick and decisive. This is going to help heal us,'" Kraus said. “We have a great many officers who work extremely hard, every day. They do this at great sacrifice and with a servant's heart. I ask you to please do not let the actions of one officer reflect on the other 1,700. There's absolutely no excuse for this incident and the person responsible will be held accountable," Kraus said. "Human life is a precious thing, it should not have been taken from Miss Jefferson." https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/V...es-No-Excuse-for-Shooting-563141541.htmlSeems to me like the interim chief of police and many of his officers feel blatant mistakes were made.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
#7634439
10/16/19 08:43 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,617
pegasaurus
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 21,617 |
What did the Officer do blatantly? Nothing besides shoot before being shot. Now with that aside, we don’t know a lot of the details that will later come out such as what they believed they were responding to and why they chose not to knock on the door. I would assume they were just scanning the area and seeing if anything looked out of the norm before making their presence known and he got a gun pointed at him. I still think the weapon went off before he intended for it to. Just my opinion...and them saying he isn’t cooperating isn’t exactly right either. He chose to remain silent just like anyone else would have and not incriminate himself. You both missed that I said ...”the ONES that screw up so blatantly,” which encompasses officers like Amber Guyger and the guy recently who planted drugs during a hundred traffic stops. You both also ignored what I wrote with an asterisk next to it, but here is what the chief of police said about it: “Human life is a precious thing and should not have been taken from Ms. Jefferson," he said. "[To the public] I ask you please do not let the actions of one officer reflect on the other 1,700. There's absolutely no excuse for this incident and the person responsible will be held accountable."While taking questions during a press conference Tuesday, Kraus grew emotional when describing the morale of the police department, saying while "officers are hurting" over the shooting, he has not encountered an officer who disagrees with the decision to arrest Aaron Dean."I don't have any officer saying this action should not have been taken against this individual, this officer. I'm getting the complete opposite response. 'Chief thank you for being quick and decisive. This is going to help heal us,'" Kraus said. “We have a great many officers who work extremely hard, every day. They do this at great sacrifice and with a servant's heart. I ask you to please do not let the actions of one officer reflect on the other 1,700. There's absolutely no excuse for this incident and the person responsible will be held accountable," Kraus said. "Human life is a precious thing, it should not have been taken from Miss Jefferson." https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/V...es-No-Excuse-for-Shooting-563141541.htmlSeems to me like the interim chief of police and many of his officers feel blatant mistakes were made. What do you expect the officers to say to their boss?? Were you expecting, “Hey Chief.. You really screwed that one up.”
Funny thing about getting older: Your eyesight starts getting weaker but your ability to see through people's BS gets much better.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: pegasaurus]
#7634484
10/16/19 09:26 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344
Duck_Hunter
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344 |
What did the Officer do blatantly? Nothing besides shoot before being shot. Now with that aside, we don’t know a lot of the details that will later come out such as what they believed they were responding to and why they chose not to knock on the door. I would assume they were just scanning the area and seeing if anything looked out of the norm before making their presence known and he got a gun pointed at him. I still think the weapon went off before he intended for it to. Just my opinion...and them saying he isn’t cooperating isn’t exactly right either. He chose to remain silent just like anyone else would have and not incriminate himself. You both missed that I said ...”the ONES that screw up so blatantly,” which encompasses officers like Amber Guyger and the guy recently who planted drugs during a hundred traffic stops. You both also ignored what I wrote with an asterisk next to it, but here is what the chief of police said about it: “Human life is a precious thing and should not have been taken from Ms. Jefferson," he said. "[To the public] I ask you please do not let the actions of one officer reflect on the other 1,700. There's absolutely no excuse for this incident and the person responsible will be held accountable."While taking questions during a press conference Tuesday, Kraus grew emotional when describing the morale of the police department, saying while "officers are hurting" over the shooting, he has not encountered an officer who disagrees with the decision to arrest Aaron Dean."I don't have any officer saying this action should not have been taken against this individual, this officer. I'm getting the complete opposite response. 'Chief thank you for being quick and decisive. This is going to help heal us,'" Kraus said. “We have a great many officers who work extremely hard, every day. They do this at great sacrifice and with a servant's heart. I ask you to please do not let the actions of one officer reflect on the other 1,700. There's absolutely no excuse for this incident and the person responsible will be held accountable," Kraus said. "Human life is a precious thing, it should not have been taken from Miss Jefferson." https://www.nbcdfw.com/news/local/V...es-No-Excuse-for-Shooting-563141541.htmlSeems to me like the interim chief of police and many of his officers feel blatant mistakes were made. What do you expect the officers to say to their boss?? Were you expecting, “Hey Chief.. You really screwed that one up.” The chief of police is a liar? Interesting.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Brother in-law]
#7634493
10/16/19 09:32 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27,091
Nogalus Prairie
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27,091 |
What did the Officer do blatantly? Nothing. They charged him with murder just for the hell of it.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
#7634500
10/16/19 09:41 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088
cleatas
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088 |
He said blatantly...I’m not saying best judgement or policy was not used. I believe mistakes were made but we lack a lot of details.
''Tis better to be silent and be THOUGHT a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Duck_Hunter]
#7634504
10/16/19 09:44 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27,091
Nogalus Prairie
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27,091 |
Things neither side is looking at. 1. It's terrible that these people live in a world where they can't call or go knock on the neighbors door to check on them. It's not wrong to call the police just sad that they don't know their neighbors. 2. It's sad that we live in a world where police are being ambushed. To deny that fact would be ignorant. So these officers are trained to think hey this may be an ambush.... How terrible is that? To go to work thinking someone wants to kill you. Which makes every interaction worse. Then it's a self fulfilling prophecy. They are nervous and.things like this happen. So the public has less trust and more disdain.
Putting that officer to death by a firing squad will not fix the problem. No new laws, no protesting, no difference in training. It will get worse and worse and worse. True to an extent. Not all of the population feels this way. Some people are being taught to feel this way. There are lawyers and politicians that want to profit from these things and they must keep that narrative alive. I for one don’t feel threatened by the police. It’s not because of how I was born. It is because I highly respect the job and I know the street or sidewalk is not the place to debate the commands that might be directed at me. The job tough enough without all this added in and above all else, the goal is to try your best to do some good for someone else and go home safe at the end of the shift. I think you’re over complicating it. Does the media and politicians complicate things? Sure, but I don’t think it’s to the extent that you are making it out to be. I think people have a reasonable expectation of not being gunned down in their house by police officers making a mistake. When it happens, especially twice in 13 months thirty miles from each other, people are understandably going to be upset and concerned. It also happened a few years ago in Fort Worth when two rookie officers went to the wrong address and shot the home owner in his garage. I was raised to respect law enforcement and I do to this day. I don’t understand the rush to justify the LEOs that so obviously make mistakes that should never happen. I don’t think it does anything positive for the vast majority of the LEOs who are great at their job. In fact, I think it does a disservice to them and makes their jobs infinitely harder (that’s reality, not that I think it should be that way). The FW interim chief said as much during his press conference, where he mentioned this will set back their community relations. So far, I think FWPD has done a very good job of handling the situation and trying to be forthright publicly, saying he would’ve fired the cop for breaking protocol even if he hadn’t shot anyone, etc. It’s a hard job complicated by many growing issues. I’ve said many times I couldn’t do it. I respect the hell out of those who do, and I think it takes a special person to do it. I thank God for them. I just don’t see the purpose or benefit of trying to justify the ones that screw up so blatantly.* *and I say that with reservation. There are some facts that need to be confirmed that may change a few things, but ultimately I don’t think the officer acted appropriately and he should have been fired and arrested/charged. Yes, the “everyone else is wrong but the officer who killed someone in their home and is charged with murder” arguments get old after a while. Taking up for bad apples just because they’re in a profession we teach our kids to respect undermines the very basis for that respect. As we have seen when the “Code Of Silence” and/or “Blame The Victim” strategy has been used over and over again. The good cops should want the bad cops gone. But (just as in my profession) often cops are their own worst enemy. Thankfully, this is beginning to change. Body cameras are a big reason.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: cleatas]
#7634510
10/16/19 09:49 PM
|
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27,091
Nogalus Prairie
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Nov 2010
Posts: 27,091 |
He said blatantly...I’m not saying best judgement or policy was not used. I believe mistakes were made but we lack a lot of details. Putting a bullet in an innocent woman in her own home and killing her in front of her 8 year old nephew might qualify as blatant.
I learned long ago you can't reason someone out of something they don't reason themselves into.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Nogalus Prairie]
#7634519
10/16/19 10:10 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 35,118
Brother in-law
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Jul 2007
Posts: 35,118 |
I’m not defending the guy or taking his side without knowing or seeing the video.
Maybe I see different possibilities and what ifs
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: cleatas]
#7634535
10/16/19 10:36 PM
|
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344
Duck_Hunter
THF Celebrity
|
THF Celebrity
Joined: Oct 2014
Posts: 12,344 |
He said blatantly...I’m not saying best judgement or policy was not used. I believe mistakes were made but we lack a lot of details. I was clear in my original post and I even spelled it out in a follow up. I was speaking of officers, this one included, who blatantly screwed up. He was going to be fired for cause, resigned, arrested and charged with murder, and his chief said it was inexcusable. I also added a caveat with an asterisk.
I just turned it on . I was looking bird dogs in the butt this morning.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: Brother in-law]
#7634553
10/16/19 10:58 PM
|
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 33,328
bigbob_ftw
OP
Big Sprocket Bob
|
OP
Big Sprocket Bob
Joined: Jul 2008
Posts: 33,328 |
I’m not defending the guy or taking his side without knowing or seeing the video.
Maybe I see different possibilities and what ifs
No doubt there are. We only know a small part of what happened.
Ultra MAGA '24.
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
#7634841
10/17/19 04:21 AM
|
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 23,170
Bee'z
The Beedazzler
|
The Beedazzler
Joined: Jul 2015
Posts: 23,170 |
So the world champion at Jr high debates thinks he has this locked down Patty. That link is cute DH.... Great touch lol
|
|
|
Re: Fort Worth's turn
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
#7634991
10/17/19 01:33 PM
|
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088
cleatas
Veteran Tracker
|
Veteran Tracker
Joined: Sep 2007
Posts: 2,088 |
I’m not defending him either but I think there should’ve been more time invested in the case before a murder charge was handed down too. One says welfare check, one says open structure. That’s two different calls. But once again I’m not saying what he did was the right or smartest decision as far as how the call was handled.
''Tis better to be silent and be THOUGHT a fool, than to speak and remove all doubt." -Abraham Lincoln
|
|
|
Moderated by bigbob_ftw, CCBIRDDOGMAN, Chickenman, Derek, DeRico, Duck_Hunter, hetman, jeh7mmmag, JustWingem, kmon11, kry226, kwrhuntinglab, Payne, pertnear, rifleman, sig226fan (Rguns.com), Superduty, TreeBass, txcornhusker
|