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Re: DOW [Re: beaversnipe] #7621914 10/02/19 05:58 PM
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Let. It. Fall.

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Originally Posted by Stump_jumper
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Wall Street expressing it's opinion of what it thinks about all this talk of impeachment. Thanks Dems.

not that this week. It was the manufacturing index yesterday and jobs report today. Not sure how you can blame 3.6% miss on the jobs report for the free fall,


This downturn started a couple of weeks ago. About the time Dems started accelerating the talks of impeachment. The economy is fine.

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Market has been flat for 2 years.


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Originally Posted by swampthang
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Wall Street expressing it's opinion of what it thinks about all this talk of impeachment. Thanks Dems.

not that this week. It was the manufacturing index yesterday and jobs report today. Not sure how you can blame 3.6% miss on the jobs report for the free fall,


This downturn started a couple of weeks ago. About the time Dems started accelerating the talks of impeachment. The economy is fine.


Jobs report is flat and manufacturing is contracting, that's more than enough. No need to start muckraking.

Re: DOW [Re: beaversnipe] #7622046 10/02/19 08:15 PM
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It was at 18k when Trump took office 3 yrs ago. Once he does a deal with China it will skyrocket. (I heard one analyst predict 36k) Unless you are day trading, I wouldn’t worry and just sit tight.

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Let's hope he does a deal. If he doesn't, you may want to do your Christmas shopping early.

Re: DOW [Re: ndhunter] #7622088 10/02/19 08:52 PM
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Tell china to suck it and tariff them 100 percent and then cut off all trade. If you want to save America.

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Originally Posted by takewhatyoucan64
Tell china to suck it and tariff them 100 percent and then cut off all trade. If you want to save America.


I don't think that would save America and not sure it needs saving.

Re: DOW [Re: swampthang] #7622232 10/02/19 10:49 PM
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Originally Posted by swampthang
Wall Street expressing it's opinion of what it thinks about all this talk of impeachment. Thanks Dems.


Manufacturing numbers continue to come in weak.
Oil inventories continue to climb.
ADP jobs number missed the mark today.
Globally foreign economies in recession.


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The next decrease in interest rate will increase the kabooooooooom. In the words of a good man......BRING IT.

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I hope it keeps falling. I am buying into the decline.


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I hope it keeps falling. I am buying into the decline.



Good luck amigo. We are out now for the election cycle.

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I hope it keeps falling. I am buying into the decline.

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Re: DOW [Re: beaversnipe] #7622847 10/03/19 03:34 PM
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Not sure what the optimists see in stocks rebounding going forward with the world going to negative interest rates, which have not generated increases in GDP anywhere.
Other headwinds I see are consumer debt at an all time high, no income growth, corporate debt levels won’t allow much more share buybacks. Majority of companies are giving negative guidance going forward.
The world is awash in debt.........sooner or later it has to be cleared to start another growth cycle.


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Re: DOW [Re: Pigsicles] #7622879 10/03/19 03:55 PM
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Originally Posted by Pigsicles
Majority of companies are giving negative guidance going forward.

Erroneous statement. Why do you think the market hit an all-time high in july? Because earnings "beats" and overall positive guidance far outnumbered "misses" and soft guidance. That fact is what gave investors the confidence to put their money to work in 2019. S & P is still up 15% YTD,I'm still bullish.

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Originally Posted by swampthang
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Majority of companies are giving negative guidance going forward.

Erroneous statement. Why do you think the market hit an all-time high in july? Because earnings "beats" and overall positive guidance far outnumbered "misses" and soft guidance. That fact is what gave investors the confidence to put their money to work in 2019. S & P is still up 15% YTD,I'm still bullish.


You do realize that July was in the 3rd qtr, current forward guidance for the 4th qtr is mostly down. Trade issues, lack of consumer spending. Seen the “adjusted” GDP numbers, the Sept auto sales and the mortgage application data?

“Heading into the end of the third quarter, 113 S&P 500 companies have issued EPS guidance for the quarter. Of these 113 companies, 82 have issued negative EPS guidance and 31 companies have issued positive EPS guidance. The number of companies issuing negative EPS for Q3 is well above the 5-year average of 74.”

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 Earnings Growth: For Q3 2019, the estimated earnings decline for the S&P 500 is -3.7%. If -3.7% is the actual decline for the quarter, it will mark the first time the index has reported three straight quarters of year-over-year earnings declines since Q4 2015 through Q2 2016.
 Earnings Revisions: On June 30, the estimated earnings decline for Q3 2019 was -0.6%. All eleven sectors have lower growth rates today (compared to June 30) due to downward revisions to EPS estimates.
 Earnings Guidance: For Q3 2019, 82 S&P 500 companies have issued negative EPS guidance and 31 S&P 500 companies have issued positive EPS guidance.
 Valuation: The forward 12-month P/E ratio for the S&P 500 is 16.8. This P/E ratio is above the 5-year average (16.6) and above the 10-year average (14.8).
 Earnings Scorecard: For Q3 2019 (with 14 of the companies in the S&P 500 reporting actual results), 12 S&P 500 companies have reported a positive EPS surprise and 6 S&P 500 companies have reported a positive revenue surprise.

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Re: DOW [Re: swampthang] #7623218 10/03/19 09:53 PM
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Originally Posted by swampthang
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Wall Street expressing it's opinion of what it thinks about all this talk of impeachment. Thanks Dems.

not that this week. It was the manufacturing index yesterday and jobs report today. Not sure how you can blame 3.6% miss on the jobs report for the free fall,


This downturn started a couple of weeks ago. About the time Dems started accelerating the talks of impeachment. The economy is fine.

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the dems are killing America

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Wall Street expressing it's opinion of what it thinks about all this talk of impeachment. Thanks Dems.

not that this week. It was the manufacturing index yesterday and jobs report today. Not sure how you can blame 3.6% miss on the jobs report for the free fall,


This downturn started a couple of weeks ago. About the time Dems started accelerating the talks of impeachment. The economy is fine.

this

the dems are killing America


DOW closed up +122. Does that give you a more favorable view of the Democrats?

Re: DOW [Re: beaversnipe] #7623406 10/04/19 01:02 AM
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Unemployment numbers at all-time lows,"Help Wanted" signs everywhere,US companies hiring aggressively,that's a good barometer for the economy.No wonder we're only 4% off all-time highs. A correction may be coming but I don't think just yet.Feel free to short this market Pigsicles and let us know how that works out for you.

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I just can't make a move either way. Holding onto my availed cash.


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I just can't make a move either way. Holding onto my availed cash.


Wealth accumulation AND preservation. Keeping it is just as important as making it, especially for us seniors.


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To da moon Alice! S & P already took out it's all-time highs and the DOW damn near did it today. Half way through earning season and these companies are killing it.

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