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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
[Re: bigbob_ftw]
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10/02/19 12:02 AM
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Guy
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What if everything was the same, but it was her apartment, and Jean made a mistake and went in her appointment, sat on his couch and ate his ice cream, and she walked in. You still don't shoot him! Good grief. Draw your gun, put him on the cross hairs, and says "Who the F are you eating my ice cream!". Even if you walk into your own house, you don't shoot someone innocently sitting on your couch eating ice cream, I mean who knows who it could be and why. It could be an apartment maintenance guy, and he got hungry. Or the retarded guy next door.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:20 AM
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Lots of well trained police folks in here with all the answers. It's like they were there in the room, knew everything. Be nice to be a freegin know it all.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:24 AM
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What if everything was the same, but it was her apartment, and Jean made a mistake and went in her appointment, sat on his couch and ate his ice cream, and she walked in. You still don't shoot him! Good grief. Draw your gun, put him on the cross hairs, and says "Who the F are you eating my ice cream!". Even if you walk into your own house, you don't shoot someone innocently sitting on your couch eating ice cream, I mean who knows who it could be and why. It could be an apartment maintenance guy, and he got hungry. Or the retarded guy next door. Blue Bell or store brand?
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:29 AM
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Lots of well trained police folks in here with all the answers. It's like they were there in the room, knew everything. Be nice to be a freegin know it all. Maybe the well trained police folks in here have been to the circus and seen the elephant, and are relaying their experiences to prevent other members from lighting up a friendly and ending up where Amber is. Just my .02, LeonCarr
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:33 AM
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Here is the way I see it:
She made a mistake by walking into the guys apartment and killing a innocent man. The jury made a mistake calling it murder. Not saying two wrongs make a right but I know you just cant walk into a guys home and kill him and then expect the "oops my bad" defense to fly. I don't care what the law says about "mistake of fact"...….a innocent man lost his life in his own home due to a series of mistakes that he had nothing to do with. That's a BIG mistake!!
I wish her the best. I honestly think it was nothing more than a series of mistakes that lead to a man being killed in his own home. You cant call it murder but you cant just sweep it under the rug either. What was the correct charge and punishment??? I have no idea. That’s how I see it. Murder seems stiff, but I don’t know the details that the jury knows.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:37 AM
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What if everything was the same, but it was her apartment, and Jean made a mistake and went in her appointment, sat on his couch and ate his ice cream, and she walked in. You still don't shoot him! Good grief. Draw your gun, put him on the cross hairs, and says "Who the F are you eating my ice cream!". Even if you walk into your own house, you don't shoot someone innocently sitting on your couch eating ice cream, I mean who knows who it could be and why. It could be an apartment maintenance guy, and he got hungry. Or the retarded guy next door. Excellent point. I’ve considered this before. I don’t really know, until I’m in that situation, but I feel like it would take a serious threat to make me pull the trigger. Not just some guy that isn’t obeying my commands.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:40 AM
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What if everything was the same, but it was her apartment, and Jean made a mistake and went in her appointment, sat on his couch and ate his ice cream, and she walked in. You still don't shoot him! Good grief. Draw your gun, put him on the cross hairs, and says "Who the F are you eating my ice cream!". Even if you walk into your own house, you don't shoot someone innocently sitting on your couch eating ice cream, I mean who knows who it could be and why. It could be an apartment maintenance guy, and he got hungry. Or the retarded guy next door. Excellent point. I’ve considered this before. I don’t really know, until I’m in that situation, but I feel like it would take a serious threat to make me pull the trigger. Not just some guy that isn’t obeying my commands. Excellent use your brain
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:57 AM
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. What aid? I'm a 21 year EMS professional. If you're shot, leg cut off, bit by a rattlesnake, and I'm standing right with you, there is little I can do without an ambulance or fire engine beside me, with all our equipment. No different than a master carpenter standing there, a house to build, and he is with no tape measure, no saw, no hammer, no nails, no wood glue, ect, ect. Bullchit.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:57 AM
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Sneaky
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. What aid? I'm a 21 year EMS professional. If you're shot, leg cut off, bit by a rattlesnake, and I'm standing right with you, there is little I can do without an ambulance or fire engine beside me, with all our equipment. No different than a master carpenter standing there, a house to build, and he is with no tape measure, no saw, no hammer, no nails, no wood glue, ect, ect. Valid point. Did she try? Honest question. I don’t know if she did or didn’t.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 12:57 AM
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This guy set up and waited for the intruders to enter his home and killed them, it didn’t fare well for him: Link
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:01 AM
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. What aid? I'm a 21 year EMS professional. If you're shot, leg cut off, bit by a rattlesnake, and I'm standing right with you, there is little I can do without an ambulance or fire engine beside me, with all our equipment. No different than a master carpenter standing there, a house to build, and he is with no tape measure, no saw, no hammer, no nails, no wood glue, ect, ect. Valid point. Did she try? Honest question. I don’t know if she did or didn’t. Holes in the thorax, plug them, but she probably doesn't know that. Patient goes Asystole and it's chest compressions to turn over to DFD, then they do it to turn over to Emergency Department, then they call it, anyway. Shoot him the same way in an operating room, with four of the best trauma surgeons in Dallas also in the room, and the outcome is likely still the same.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:02 AM
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How do you think she will survive in prison, General Population?
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:02 AM
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. What aid? I'm a 21 year EMS professional. If you're shot, leg cut off, bit by a rattlesnake, and I'm standing right with you, there is little I can do without an ambulance or fire engine beside me, with all our equipment. No different than a master carpenter standing there, a house to build, and he is with no tape measure, no saw, no hammer, no nails, no wood glue, ect, ect. Bullchit. Tens of thousands of calls I've answered says it is not bullchit. Thanks for stepping on what I've been doing for so long, and for so many people I do not know. See what I told to Sneaky.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:11 AM
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bigbob_ftw
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. What aid? I'm a 21 year EMS professional. If you're shot, leg cut off, bit by a rattlesnake, and I'm standing right with you, there is little I can do without an ambulance or fire engine beside me, with all our equipment. No different than a master carpenter standing there, a house to build, and he is with no tape measure, no saw, no hammer, no nails, no wood glue, ect, ect. Bullchit. Tens of thousands of calls I've answered says it is not bullchit. Thanks for stepping on what I've been doing for so long, and for so many people I do not know. See what I told to Sneaky. Plug a hole, see if he's breathing, call an ambulance... Lots she could have done, but she called her boyfriend. Get off your high horse. Lots of us have been trained.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:30 AM
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Lots of well trained police folks in here with all the answers. It's like they were there in the room, knew everything. Be nice to be a freegin know it all. That’s the thing - we know quite a bit, and you would too, if you’d read the testimony or had watched the trial on TV. -her training told her to not enter the apartment, find cover, and wait for backup. She testified she didn’t remember that from the de-escalation training she took in April. She shot him in September. Maybe her lawyers just decided to not object and her training didn’t say that. Maybe she was just a bad witness. But that came out in court. -She was distracted by her police partner/boyfriend, who was married, and texted him during the 911 call saying she effed up and needed help. She said she tried chest compressions with one hand while she was on the phone with 911 but she had no blood on her and none of her rubber gloves from her duty belt were used or bloody. We have an EMs here who says it wouldn’t have mattered (and I trust and believe him) but I think her not attempting any aid went a long way to not have much sympathy because she texted her partner, who she was having an affair with, while speaking with 911. -when questioning the ME about the angle of the bullet wound, the defense attorney suggested that he was standing up from his couch when he was shot. She says she gave commands and he was approaching her and feared for her life. She claims he was coming towards her and it is more likely that he was shocked someone came in and stood up and she shot him. -she testified that he intentionally pulled the trigger to kill him because she feared for her life and thought he was an intruder. I feel bad for her, I really do, but I feel worse for him. If you’re pissed people have made up their minds, fine, but the evidence is out there.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:33 AM
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Guy
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. That and she just showed no care for him at all, all she showed was CYA. All she said on 911 was that she thought she was in her own apartment, over and over again... Texting her married BF, "I need you" first text, meaning I need you to help me cover this up, next text "I f'd up", she's got that right. I think she was so preoccupied with getting laid that night from her married BF, sexting him, she had blinders on could not see all the clues in front of her, what floor she was on, red door mat...Then she hears someone inside her apartment, it is all about her again, super cop girl kicks in she goes in for the kill, otherwise she would have stayed out side and called for back up like our tax dollars trained her to do. Shooting a guy eating a bowl of ice cream in his own house, it just don't get more stupid.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:35 AM
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. What aid? I'm a 21 year EMS professional. If you're shot, leg cut off, bit by a rattlesnake, and I'm standing right with you, there is little I can do without an ambulance or fire engine beside me, with all our equipment. No different than a master carpenter standing there, a house to build, and he is with no tape measure, no saw, no hammer, no nails, no wood glue, ect, ect. Valid point. Did she try? Honest question. I don’t know if she did or didn’t. Holes in the thorax, plug them, but she probably doesn't know that. Patient goes Asystole and it's chest compressions to turn over to DFD, then they do it to turn over to Emergency Department, then they call it, anyway. Shoot him the same way in an operating room, with four of the best trauma surgeons in Dallas also in the room, and the outcome is likely still the same. Understood. Thank you. If she knew that there was nothing to be done, then there was nothing to be done. Perception in the courts is a whole ‘nother matter.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:45 AM
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What aid?
I'm a 21 year EMS professional. If you're shot, leg cut off, bit by a rattlesnake, and I'm standing right with you, there is little I can do without an ambulance or fire engine beside me, with all our equipment.
No different than a master carpenter standing there, a house to build, and he is with no tape measure, no saw, no hammer, no nails, no wood glue, ect, ect.
Bullchit. Tens of thousands of calls I've answered says it is not bullchit. Thanks for stepping on what I've been doing for so long, and for so many people I do not know. See what I told to Sneaky. Plug a hole, see if he's breathing, call an ambulance... Lots she could have done, but she called her boyfriend. Get off your high horse. Lots of us have been trained. She called immediately! She told dispatch there was a shot man. They sent PD and FD at the same time. I'll sit on my high horse all I want, I raised and fed that horse. And you can eat his chit. Training is 10%, doing it for real, for a long damn time is the other 90%.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:47 AM
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If it was her actual apartment, I have no problem with what was done. But it wasn’t.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:51 AM
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It might have helped her cause if she rendered aid. That and she just showed no care for him at all, all she showed was CYA. All she said on 911 was that she thought she was in her own apartment, over and over again... Texting her married BF, "I need you" first text, meaning I need you to help me cover this up, next text "I f'd up", she's got that right. I think she was so preoccupied with getting laid that night from her married BF, sexting him, she had blinders on could not see all the clues in front of her, what floor she was on, red door mat...Then she hears someone inside her apartment, it is all about her again, super cop girl kicks in she goes in for the kill, otherwise she would have stayed out side and called for back up like our tax dollars trained her to do. Shooting a guy eating a bowl of ice cream in his own house, it just don't get more stupid. Bet you were just as pissed at the Parkland Deputy that failed to enter and return fire, but did call his boss. Calling for backup is not always the first step, sometimes the person in the incident has to act right now. And in the history of humans on this planet we have always depended on that person. In my lane, we are not supposed to enter a structure fire, on the first apparatus without "two in, two out". And the engineer and incident commander do not count as the two out, so then you really need 6 people on scene. Unless there is a known life safety inside the structure, then two in, two out is null and void.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 01:53 AM
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If it was her actual apartment, I have no problem with what was done. But it wasn’t. That might have been on news for 30 seconds that night. Never to be seen again.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 02:06 AM
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Heard today that the conduct of her partner and possibly suppressing evidence with the deleted, subsequently recovered texts may be looked at by authorities. Her troubles are done, his may be beginning.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 02:07 AM
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If it was her actual apartment, I have no problem with what was done. But it wasn’t. What if 100% in her mind and in her heart she believed it was her apartment...oh wait...never mind.
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Re: Amber Guyger Trial Starts Today..
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10/02/19 02:10 AM
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Heard today that the conduct of her partner and possibly suppressing evidence with the deleted, subsequently recovered texts may be looked at by authorities. Her troubles are done, his may be beginning. Not to mention the wife problem.
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