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Going to be interesting to see this one played out. There has to be more than we know to support a murder conviction. As I see it now, all they have is voluntary manslaughter. Thoughts?


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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
Going to be interesting to see this one played out. There has to be more than we know to support a murder conviction. As I see it now, all they have is voluntary manslaughter. Thoughts?


They indicted her on the murder charge to appease the masses in Dallas Co. aka Little California...……………...


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Originally Posted by dawgkllr
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Going to be interesting to see this one played out. There has to be more than we know to support a murder conviction. As I see it now, all they have is voluntary manslaughter. Thoughts?


They indicted her on the murder charge to appease the masses in Dallas Co. aka Little California...……………...

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Originally Posted by dawgkllr
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Going to be interesting to see this one played out. There has to be more than we know to support a murder conviction. As I see it now, all they have is voluntary manslaughter. Thoughts?


They indicted her on the murder charge to appease the masses in Dallas Co. aka Little California...……………...



that wouldn't make sense unless they felt they could get a conviction. otherwise your just kicking the can down the road.


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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
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Going to be interesting to see this one played out. There has to be more than we know to support a murder conviction. As I see it now, all they have is voluntary manslaughter. Thoughts?


They indicted her on the murder charge to appease the masses in Dallas Co. aka Little California...……………...



that wouldn't make sense unless they felt they could get a conviction. otherwise your just kicking the can down the road.


Sometimes kicking the can down the road makes sense.


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She will be convicted of something other wise there will be riots in the BIG D. I bet if it's man slaughter they still get riots


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She will be convicted of something other wise there will be riots in the BIG D. I bet if it's man slaughter they still get riots



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Originally Posted by bigbob_ftw
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Going to be interesting to see this one played out. There has to be more than we know to support a murder conviction. As I see it now, all they have is voluntary manslaughter. Thoughts?


They indicted her on the murder charge to appease the masses in Dallas Co. aka Little California...……………...



that wouldn't make sense unless they felt they could get a conviction. otherwise your just kicking the can down the road.


if you over charge, that gives you something to plea down to that will be palatable to all and avoid a trial.


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She deserves jail time...

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Texas Penal Code 8.02 – Mistake of Fact

(a) It is a defense to prosecution that the actor through mistake formed a reasonable belief about a matter of fact if his mistaken belief negated the kind of culpability required for commission of the offense.

This will be the defense case I'm guessing.

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Texas Penal Code 8.02 – Mistake of Fact

(a) It is a defense to prosecution that the actor through mistake formed a reasonable belief about a matter of fact if his mistaken belief negated the kind of culpability required for commission of the offense.

This will be the defense case I'm guessing.



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if you over charge, that gives you something to plea down to that will be palatable to all and avoid a trial.

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I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.

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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.


If a man is in your house, or mine, in the dark, you or I would intentionally kill him also. And would be perfectly justified in doing so. This is Texas, not Great Britain.

The problem is this simple, she thought she was in her home, but she wasn't. Had it actually been her apartment, it would have been a news story that lasted 10 seconds on the evening news, and nothing more.

And none of this has anything to do with race whatsoever. But there are groups that are making it seem this way. Had it been a black officer, that killed a white many, I would view the incident exactly the same way.


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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.



She is a trained police officer. She had training to help her think through the situation that the general population doesn’t get.
When have you seen, with the exception of the idiot at Parkland HS, an officer retreat from a hostile situation to call 911? Only when the threat is beyond their capability. This threat, perceived or real, was not beyond her capability to handle. Right or wrong, the threat was neutralized and a guy lost his life. Doesn’t mean it was murder.

Heck this happens everyday when someone gets behind the wheel after drinking and kills someone. They don’t always get charged with murder.


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I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.


If a man is in your house, or mine, in the dark, you or I would intentionally kill him also. And would be perfectly justified in doing so. This is Texas, not Great Britain.


That is the same thing I was saying. If she was justified, this wasn't a crime. If she was not justified, this was murder. There is no way this is manslaughter, involuntary, etc.

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Originally Posted by SherpaPhil
I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.


Prove intent.

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Originally Posted by pegasaurus
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I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.



She is a trained police officer. She had training to help her think through the situation that the general population doesn’t get.
When have you seen, with the exception of the idiot at Parkland HS, an officer retreat from a hostile situation to call 911? Only when the threat is beyond their capability. This threat, perceived or real, was not beyond her capability to handle. Right or wrong, the threat was neutralized and a guy lost his life. Doesn’t mean it was murder.

Heck this happens everyday when someone gets behind the wheel after drinking and kills someone. They don’t always get charged with murder.


The difference with drunk driving is that the drunk doesn't mean to kill someone. They are reckless and disregard other people's safety, but it is unintentional. She intentionally killed someone.

I'm not saying she is guilty, or even that charges should have been brought, Im not sure she is guilty. What I am saying is that murder is the appropriate charge for these facts, rather than a charge for something accidental yet criminal.

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Originally Posted by LeonCarr
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I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.


Prove intent.

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She pointed a loaded gun at a person and intentionally pulled the trigger. Intent to kill is clear. There are probably factors that make it non-criminal, self defense, etc., But intent to kill is clear, she was just wrong about the circumstances.

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I think murder is the right charge. She intentionally killed a man. If she legitimately believed it was self defense or there is something else that negates her culpability, then it's not guilty. I just don't see how you get anywhere in between.



She is a trained police officer. She had training to help her think through the situation that the general population doesn’t get.
When have you seen, with the exception of the idiot at Parkland HS, an officer retreat from a hostile situation to call 911? Only when the threat is beyond their capability. This threat, perceived or real, was not beyond her capability to handle. Right or wrong, the threat was neutralized and a guy lost his life. Doesn’t mean it was murder.

Heck this happens everyday when someone gets behind the wheel after drinking and kills someone. They don’t always get charged with murder.


The difference with drunk driving is that the drunk doesn't mean to kill someone. They are reckless and disregard other people's safety, but it is unintentional. She intentionally killed someone.

I'm not saying she is guilty, or even that charges should have been brought, Im not sure she is guilty. What I am saying is that murder is the appropriate charge for these facts, rather than a charge for something accidental yet criminal.



50% chance murder charge was intentional, in my mind.

Found not guilty.

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If she walks free then she better dissapear.

I couldn't stomach that if it was my family.

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Only way she’s convicted of murder is if the Jury doesn’t follow instructions and votes with their emotions.

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I predict many change their minds once they know the facts.

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I predict many change their minds once they know the facts.


The only way my mind will be changed is if something comes out at trial, that causes the circumstances to be completely different, than what's already known.

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