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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Why are bears protected and lions not protected....
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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I see no need for laws to protect the mountain lion and if the government stays out, most likely for the better. Truth is there are more lions today than in any time in my life and the reason for this is pretty simple. Most of Texas is privately owned and very few ranches have serious predator control programs. Gone are the days of trapping and scattering poison that killed indiscriminately. Most of the lion hunters from the Big Bend region have passed and the younger ones who still hunt lions today must be concerned about property lines. In the past, if you got on the trail of a lion, you stayed on it as all ranches wanted the lions removed. If the dogs crossed a fence, you let the fence down and kept riding. Today, that is not the case as most absentee landowners want no one on their property, no matter the reason. The terrain is the same and you don't need trees to bay up a lion. They will climb on a rock or crawl into a cave. The biggest obstacle on trailing a lion in the Big Bend is scenting conditions. It is usually dry and there is a lot of rock which does not hold scent. For the foreseeable future, I only see the lion population increasing. Adios, Gary
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 03:07 PM
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Definitely should have more research done on them. From what limited data is available none that I can find suggests the population is increasing in the past few decades. Interesting as well that of all the reasons an APEX predator has for mortality in such harsh country the vast majority was "hunting/predator control". Absolutely ridiculous that they don't mandate harvest reporting. I hope the government does step in. Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGs
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
[Re: herb_mason]
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08/26/19 03:41 PM
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Wow BOBO that is something i didnt know.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 03:59 PM
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Definitely should have more research done on them. From what limited data is available none that I can find suggests the population is increasing in the past few decades. Interesting as well that of all the reasons an APEX predator has for mortality in such harsh country the vast majority was "hunting/predator control". Absolutely ridiculous that they don't mandate harvest reporting. I hope the government does step in. Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGswolves are not gone in Texas (DNA currently hybrid in Galveston) nor are jaguarundi’s, nor are Ocelots CO has natural wolf dispersal now. It’s idiotic at the finest level to introduce them to CO!! Not only will it cause the demise of the Mexican wolf in NM/AZ it will drastically reduce CO wildlife, simply based off the inability for the state to manage wolf numbers(CO legislation for 200 breeding pairs). Toss in CO current state of bear and lion hunting issues/management caused by legislation, and it’s a perfect storm of ecological disaster I can name four ranches in TX that can state data of increased Mountain Lions. Texas has had an open season for decades and science supports it. Hunting has virtual no impact on Lion populations in TX (due to land fragmentation limiting effective hunting techniques(hounds)) You might want to rethink and go a little research on Ecology of Texas, Ecology of CO, and current CO legislation. Also talk to a bird dog or houndsman who hunts in wolf country....
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 04:14 PM
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Wow BOBO that is something i didnt know. I’ve had loin and jerky, both excellent, I’m glad I didn’t find out what was until afterwards, I probably would of passes
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 05:18 PM
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Big Bend country is not the only place they are. Those that think so need to open their minds a bit.
Years ago, on this very forum someone had a thread asking for sightings of mountain lions, either on camera or in person, or tracks. The county where sightings were, were turned red. Most counties were read.
In the last 15 years we have seen them in Collin, Fannin, and Hunt counties. Long damn ways from Big Bend country.
There is an abundant supply of feral hogs in Texas. When a predator has plenty to eat. they flourish.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Definitely should have more research done on them. From what limited data is available none that I can find suggests the population is increasing in the past few decades. Interesting as well that of all the reasons an APEX predator has for mortality in such harsh country the vast majority was "hunting/predator control". Absolutely ridiculous that they don't mandate harvest reporting. I hope the government does step in. Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGsNo, hopefully wolves do not get re introduced into Colorado. Their wildlife populations will take a hit just like some of ours did. Wolves are there already, they go back and forth across the Wyoming state line frequently. Let mother nature take her course. Reintroducing them really ties the hands of those who need to manage them. Just ask our large carnivore specialists and the grizzly bear management issues we have now and those bears are naturally expanding their range.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Trackquack is a flaming lib, always the same nonsense from him. troll.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGs Show me a better group of conservationists than hunters... Who else puts their money (and time) where their mouth is? Large predators were removed more by the livestock community than anything. Ocelots and Jaguarundi still exist in South Texas btw. The biggest problem they have and still face is habitat fragmentation and changes.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Taking a Texas lion is one of the biggies on my list. I have hunted in lion country all my life and have never even got a glimpse of one in the wild. When I do, I hope he's a big ole tom.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 05:48 PM
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Taking a Texas lion is one of the biggies on my list. I have hunted in lion country all my life and have never even got a glimpse of one in the wild. When I do, I hope he's a big ole tom. Webb county has a ton,
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 05:59 PM
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Why are bears protected and lions not protected.... Probably because black bears are lumbering beasts that I have seen in suburbs raiding trash cans in broad daylight. Hope Mills NC. You won't find a mountain lion that stupid.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 06:12 PM
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Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGs Show me a better group of conservationists than hunters... Who else puts their money (and time) where their mouth is? Large predators were removed more by the livestock community than anything. Ocelots and Jaguarundi still exist in South Texas btw. The biggest problem they have and still face is habitat fragmentation and changes. If he doesn’t even want to research about ocelots and jaguarundi or even wolf facts(ESA, Legislation, research, etc), before he posts , he damn sure doesn’t care about real facts.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 06:24 PM
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Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGs Show me a better group of conservationists than hunters... Who else puts their money (and time) where their mouth is? Large predators were removed more by the livestock community than anything. Ocelots and Jaguarundi still exist in South Texas btw. The biggest problem they have and still face is habitat fragmentation and changes. If he doesn’t even want to research about ocelots and jaguarundi or even wolf facts(ESA, Legislation, research, etc), before he posts , he damn sure doesn’t care about real facts. Libturds never care about facts...only their agenda...and they have to ignore facts and lie to advance their agenda...
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 06:36 PM
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I might have seen a cougar on my place in Limestone County. Maybe 5ish years ago. Just right at dark. It was trailing some deer I had seen earlier. It had a long tail.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGs Show me a better group of conservationists than hunters... Who else puts their money (and time) where their mouth is? Large predators were removed more by the livestock community than anything. Ocelots and Jaguarundi still exist in South Texas btw. The biggest problem they have and still face is habitat fragmentation and changes. If he doesn’t even want to research about ocelots and jaguarundi or even wolf facts(ESA, Legislation, research, etc), before he posts , he damn sure doesn’t care about real facts. Libturds never care about facts...only their agenda...and they have to ignore facts and lie to advance their agenda... Amen Amen Amen Amen Amen!
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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08/26/19 09:03 PM
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I see no need for laws to protect the mountain lion and if the government stays out, most likely for the better. Truth is there are more lions today than in any time in my life and the reason for this is pretty simple. Most of Texas is privately owned and very few ranches have serious predator control programs. Gone are the days of trapping and scattering poison that killed indiscriminately. Most of the lion hunters from the Big Bend region have passed and the younger ones who still hunt lions today must be concerned about property lines. In the past, if you got on the trail of a lion, you stayed on it as all ranches wanted the lions removed. If the dogs crossed a fence, you let the fence down and kept riding. Today, that is not the case as most absentee landowners want no one on their property, no matter the reason. The terrain is the same and you don't need trees to bay up a lion. They will climb on a rock or crawl into a cave. The biggest obstacle on trailing a lion in the Big Bend is scenting conditions. It is usually dry and there is a lot of rock which does not hold scent. For the foreseeable future, I only see the lion population increasing. Adios, Gary Gary is there a show in Texas cougars? Well, if you haven't done it already.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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They are protected in the GOOFY state of California, have been for decades...and every time one gets caught in a trap, or gets near a residential area...wait for it...the State Game Wardens shoot them....back in the 80's I rode with a warden, who then became a Lieutenant, and eventually retired as a Captain with CF&G...and he would travel 150+ miles as soon as he got a call about a big cat...and after dispatching the cat, and loading the carcass to hand over to the CF&G biologists...he would remark..."We just saved the state of California 50+ deer per year for the next several years!" Here in Texas, they rarely target feral swine and live almost exclusively on livestock, pets ...and DEER! Not to mention Big Horn sheep their favorite food.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Theirs alot of Lions in Val Verde, Uvalde, Edwards county also, I had a ranch in Montell just south of Campwood and theirs alot of sign of Lions all through their and I dont mean passing through, I mean regular tracks and kills and sightings.
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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I have hunted lions in northern MT where wolves had reduced the elk herds by 2/3, and deer populations by over 50 percent. Now the wolves are having a huge impact on lions as when a lion made a kill, the wolves moved in and took it away. We treed three lions on that trip and the two mature ones were skin and bones. The only one that we treed in good body condition was a young tom and he was living near a house where wolves were not present. The PROBLEM with the re-introduction of wolves by our GOVERNMENT is that the wolf that was native to this country was the Timber Wolf which weighed about 70-80 pounds. Since there were no Timber Wolves to restock, we went to Canada and captured Canadian Grey Wolves which will weigh as much as 175 pounds. This IS NOT THE SAME ANIMAL and the reason for the extremely negative impact on all wildlife. Yes, I have hunted lions in West Texas and would love to do a show out there. Unfortunately, I encounter the same problems as most other hunters and that is one ranch wants you there to help with lions killing deer or livestock and if he crosses a fence, he is on a ranch were they want them protected. Adios, Gary
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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I have hunted lions in northern MT where wolves had reduced the elk herds by 2/3, and deer populations by over 50 percent. Now the wolves are having a huge impact on lions as when a lion made a kill, the wolves moved in and took it away. We treed three lions on that trip and the two mature ones were skin and bones. The only one that we treed in good body condition was a young tom and he was living near a house where wolves were not present. The PROBLEM with the re-introduction of wolves by our GOVERNMENT is that the wolf that was native to this country was the Timber Wolf which weighed about 70-80 pounds. Since there were no Timber Wolves to restock, we went to Canada and captured Canadian Grey Wolves which will weigh as much as 175 pounds. This IS NOT THE SAME ANIMAL and the reason for the extremely negative impact on all wildlife. Yes, I have hunted lions in West Texas and would love to do a show out there. Unfortunately, I encounter the same problems as most other hunters and that is one ranch wants you there to help with lions killing deer or livestock and if he crosses a fence, he is on a ranch were they want them protected. Adios, Gary You mean re-introducing wolves to areas of the Northwest hasn't created world peace as so many have claimed?
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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HAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!!!! You're too much Dan!!!! Just before I got up there to hunt a rancher stepped out of his house and saw wolves killing 800# heifers that he had in a large valley pasture behind his house. He grabbed a rifle and killed four before calling Game and Fish who came with a chopper. On the phone, G&F said that was no doubt a pack of eight that was known to be in the area. Rancher said there was more than that. Long story short, they arrived at the ranch and killed another 28 from the chopper. I believe that eight of the heifers were killed or died from wounds. ln that same area, we had a wolf run a deer into our dogs as we hunted them down a forest road. It was the only deer we saw that day. Adios, Gary
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Re: Why aren't cougars regulated/protected in Texas?
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Definitely should have more research done on them. From what limited data is available none that I can find suggests the population is increasing in the past few decades. Interesting as well that of all the reasons an APEX predator has for mortality in such harsh country the vast majority was "hunting/predator control". Absolutely ridiculous that they don't mandate harvest reporting. I hope the government does step in. Interesting to see just much regulation has benefited hunting & fishing yet some folks are blind to it. Hunters are the best conservationists is total BS. wolves, jaguars, ocelots, jaguarundi.... gone in Texas. Hopefully wolves will get reintroduced in to Colorado on the upside. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QO5PnHnErGsTotal is something personal to you........kinda like your posts......more research isn't needed to form this opinion....troll on......
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