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Has anyone used the "lite" ammo on deer. #7579781 08/14/19 02:40 PM
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Looking for something that will not kick as much but still have plenty of knock down power for my 73 year old wife. Has anyone used the "lite" loads on deer.
Range from stand to feeder right now is 135 yards.


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Yes. I've used reduced recoil ammo many times. When I got my son shooting a 308, I loaded up some 125 grain reduced loads for him to practice and hunt with. It worked very well. I also have shot some reduced 270 Win loads before.

The way to reduce recoil is to reduce the bullet weight and reduce the velocity. Depending on the caliber you shoot, there are generally good options on lighter weight bullets. You can load these lighter bullets up and run them as a mild to medium load for about 50%-70% in recoil reduction. And they should still be effective on game animals. If I can help you, let me know! I can load anything you need with most any bullet you want.



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My kiddo used 7mm-08 Remington reduced recoil for a long time (no longer sold???). Every deer she shot dropped in its tracks.... We have moved to a "regular" ammo and had a cull run off and 1 deer other did not go far but no blood..... I have asked Chad at custom reloads to make something close to the Rem reduced recoil.... I have talked to many folks with kiddos and they had similar experiences as me.


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My ex's boy used Remington Managed Recoil .270 Winchester ammo to take a fat doe a few years back. Range was about 50 yards, and she dropped on the spot. I was shooting 130 grain Core-Lokt out of the same rifle, and the Managed Recoil ammo grouped within 1" of the full power ammo at 100 yards.

What caliber are you looking at using?

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Have loaded ammo similar to the commercially available reduced recoil stuff in 270 win, 300 wby, and now 30-06. Shot quite a bit of game with the 270 win and 110 grain sierras, has been very effective, more so than I thought it would have been, is an absolute pleasure to shoot and has been very accurate as well.


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my wife and kids use Hornady custom lite in 7mm-08.


120 grain SST bullet at 2650 fps if I remember right.


its not a bad load at all, we have shot probably 5 or 6 deer with it, plus some hogs. its a good load for our small hill country deer.


its slightly lighter in recoil but we are moving to regular power loads.


if your wife is recoil sensitive, may move her to a .243 or .22-250 with partitions

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My kids used the Managed Recoil ammo from Remington and the Lite ammo from Hornaday and never had an issue. We shot the 243 version for a long time and then moved to the 308 version for the past couple of years. All shots were under 120 yards and we took deer and a few hogs with it. The deer were usually around 100lbs and hogs were around 150. Biggest hog we shot was about 275 lbs and that was with the Hornaday 308 Lite ammo. Shots varied between lung shots and high shoulder shots.


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Yes I have used the Remington Reduced Recoil ammo in my .270 for first time youth hunters or even older age lady hunters going after their first buck on. I had one lady use it on a mature 5 yr old 160 lb field dressed weight South Texas buck. With a broadside shoulder shot, the buck dropped in his tracks and it was a complete pass thru. I rarely get a complete pass thru with my 130 Corelokts out the same .270.



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I load lite for my daughter's 260. She's using a 127 Barnes x at about 2200fps and recoil is noticeably reduced.

The only issue we had was with 140 game king bullets. They didn't open and left tiny wound channels on an axis buck. She put 2 in it at about 180yds (first shot was a good double lung shot) and I put 3 more in it once it sat down at about 350 yds. It stood up when I got to it an hour later. I recovered one of the bullets and it didn't open at all.

She's shot about 10 deer, pigs or antelope with the 127x bullets and we've only recovered 2 bullets. Both looked great.

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What caliber are you looking at using?

30/06 with 180 grain federal bullets. Her favorite gun. She has shot at a deer with it 24 times over 40 years and has 24 animals on the ground. So you can see I am having a very hard time to get her to change rifles, However, she just had shoulder surgery and I don't think she can take the pounding any longer.


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Originally Posted by Mr. T.
What caliber are you looking at using?

30/06 with 180 grain federal bullets. Her favorite gun. She has shot at a deer with it 24 times over 40 years and has 24 animals on the ground. So you can see I am having a very hard time to get her to change rifles, However, she just had shoulder surgery and I don't think she can take the pounding any longer.


Do you think she could learn to shoot other-handed? You know they say "learning something new" is important as you grow older. grin 'Keeps the brain fit. up

(And she's not gonna like you putting her age out there on a public forum. bolt )


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I've been very impressed with 110 tacX in 30 cal. Chad can load you some in 30/06 or can recommend another lighter bullet in 30 cal.

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Yes. With so many given already, there's probably no need to offer another positive testimonial.

Some have said Remington and other ammo makers simply started producing what re-loaders have been building themselves for years.


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A 125 grain or 150 grain bullet loaded as a reduced load in the 30-06 would be an easy load to do. There are many options there. I've done many of these.



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Just from my experience with the 270. I tried reduced 130's first, my take was to little velocity if you got the recoil down a noticeable amount. I would definitely stay on the lighter end of the spectrum 125 or below.


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Originally Posted by ChadTRG42
A 125 grain or 150 grain bullet loaded as a reduced load in the 30-06 would be an easy load to do. There are many options there. I've done many of these.


I seem to remember Remington touting changes to the makeup of the bullets in their Managed Recoil ammo so it provides improved expansion at slower velocities. In other words, reducing the charge is only half the battle in creating a reduced load.

I know nothing about the makeup of bullets but would enjoy getting an opinion, as I am sure others might, on Remington's approach.

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Originally Posted by Texas Dan
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A 125 grain or 150 grain bullet loaded as a reduced load in the 30-06 would be an easy load to do. There are many options there. I've done many of these.


I seem to remember Remington touting changes to the makeup of the bullets in their Managed Recoil ammo so it provides improved expansion at slower velocities. In other words, reducing the charge is only half the battle in creating a reduced load.

I know nothing about the makeup of bullets but would enjoy getting an opinion, as I am sure others might, on Remington's approach.


This is why I prefer to go reduced charge and lighter bullet. You can keep the velocity up for shock/expansion and still have lower recoil. I essentially made my 270 into a book starting load 243 in a heavier long action rifle.

I loaded reduced loads in 270 using 130 grain sierras, noslers, and Hornady's and they shot fine, but in testing on hogs and javalina they produced very minimal wound channels and exit wounds, I assume because they didn't expand well. I never recovered one from an animal, but dug a few out of a gravel pit wall and they didn't deform much.


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A 125 grain or 150 grain bullet loaded as a reduced load in the 30-06 would be an easy load to do. There are many options there. I've done many of these.


I seem to remember Remington touting changes to the makeup of the bullets in their Managed Recoil ammo so it provides improved expansion at slower velocities. In other words, reducing the charge is only half the battle in creating a reduced load.

I know nothing about the makeup of bullets but would enjoy getting an opinion, as I am sure others might, on Remington's approach.


This is why I prefer to go reduced charge and lighter bullet. You can keep the velocity up for shock/expansion and still have lower recoil. I essentially made my 270 into a book starting load 243 in a heavier long action rifle.

I loaded reduced loads in 270 using 130 grain sierras, noslers, and Hornady's and they shot fine, but in testing on hogs and javalina they produced very minimal wound channels and exit wounds, I assume because they didn't expand well. I never recovered one from an animal, but dug a few out of a gravel pit wall and they didn't deform much.


Thanks for the response.

Maybe I've seen too many episodes of Forged in Fire but it would seem that in addition to weight, the composition of the metal in the bullet would make a difference. Again, I believe the folks at Remington created a reformulated bullet for their ammo. Not sure if the metal in bullets is identified in different grades or alloys like is found with steel. Or better yet, are all bullets of a given name made of the same metal or alloy?


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Yes, you want a softer bullet, or a bullet that will open up easier at the slower speeds.



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There are plenty of bullets for 30 ca that will work when reducing loads for the 30-06, Th 125gr bullets for the 300 BO are n example. Hornady lite loads are quite popular with the TYHP hunts for kids and like others have said they do work well.

What I hunt with mostly these days is basically a reduced load, the little Grendel sending a 129gr bullet in front of 30.6 gr powder running at 2500fps with that load the biggest thing I have killed is a 220lb boar hog at about 170 yards , shot through both shoulders and clipped back bone and was under hide ofter second shoulder. A guy on another forum used a 123gr SST on a cow elk at about 125 yards, one shot one kill. Another shooting Hornady black killed a 400+ lb black bear at 73 yards, the bear was weighed at a state check station and was the largest one checked in last year.

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My wife shoots a 7mm-08 using the Hornady Custom Lite ammo. She's killed 3 bucks in the last 3 years with 2 DRT and 1 ran about 30 yards away. Shots were at 100 yds. Recoil is almost unnoticeable especially compared to my 30-30.

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My son has used the Hornady lite in 30-06 to take deer. We bought when he had shoulder problems and was looking at surgery. It worked great for him. I'm sure the custom guys can do a better load for you but the factory ammo does work.

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Remington.270 BDL with a 110 grain on white tails, hogs, Axis and Black Buck. Believe the ammo is a Barnes bullet loaded by Federal. Availability is a real problem. I can’t shoot much at the range to conserve supply. I have found this round to be consistently accurate and effective on midsize game. Much less recoil than the 130 grain previously used.

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If you have a threaded rifle screw a terminator muzzle brake on just about any caliber and go to town. I shoot a .300 win mag with one...kicks less than a .243.

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You definitely want to shoot a few practice rounds at different distances before heading to the woods. The ballistic performance can be significantly different than standard ammo, no matter what the box says. That's not to say reduced recoil ammo won't get the job done within the distance recommended by the manufacturer. Depending on the caliber and how much powder the manufacturer puts in the lighter round, the bullet can begin dropping quickly.

Case in point. I've found standard and light 30-30 ammo stays relatively close out to 50 yards, with 30-30 ammo being a relatively heavy bullet for the amount of powder pushing it. But at 100 yards, things have changed. I've found Federal Fusion standard 30-30 ammo hits three to four inches above zero, while Remington Managed Recoil ammo hits three to four inches low. That's as much as an eight-inch difference. On the other hand, I've found that Remington standard and Managed Recoil .270 ammo stays much closer out to 100 yards, perhaps because the bullet has more powder behind it. Makes sense when you think about it. The powder charge behind the slightly heavier, 130 grain .270 bullet is significantly larger than what's pushing the Managed Recoil, 125 grain 30-30. Physics always rules. Despite the short-range performance of light 30-30 ammo, it's an extremely comfortable round when hunting in closer quarters.

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