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Choke question
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07/24/19 02:19 AM
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Which choke shoots pellets the longest or farthest distance? Which choke causes the pellets to travel farthest?
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Modified (0%, 0 Votes)
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Improved cylinder (4%, 1 Votes)
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None of the above (54%, 13 Votes)
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 02:56 AM
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It's a misleading test. WIthout more details, the poster can not be correct, and even then we are hypothesizing. He has a valid point that chokes aren't meant to extend the final resting place of the pellet, but they are meant to extend the pattern to distances you're shooting. Patterns with holes are obviously not as effective as well spread patterns for taking game. The next logical patterning point would be that it depends on type of game and type of shot (e.g. wing vs turkey).
The problem with this 'test' is that if you ran an experiment you would probably find (if it was even possible) that the results are not necessarily consistent, and that there will always be one choke that throws "farther" than the other. How? First off, where are you shooting and are we measuring in the direction of the target or just in general and how does wind play into that? Secondly, what is the wind like -- similar to racing, there is a slip stream effect that would happen as pellets are grouped closer together which could allow pellets in the back of the group to move further than those in the front if they don't hit them when they approach 0 ft/sec. Third, the water hose analogy is always used and anyone that uses a water hose knows that a tighter pattern holds pressure longer and therefore the water travels further -- physics doesn't change this whether it's lead or water when we discuss constriction increasing pressure.
His point is still taken -- you aren't changing the maximum range of a pellet, you are changing the maximum effective range of a shot shell.
Last edited by TLew; 07/24/19 02:58 AM.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 03:04 AM
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All chokes shoot the same distance. The difference is pattern size and density at different ranges.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 03:18 AM
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All chokes shoot about the same distance. The difference is pattern size and density at different ranges. FTFY. Agree though hence my post
Last edited by TLew; 07/24/19 03:18 AM.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 03:48 AM
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I encountered this subject a couple of times today. It’s intended to make people think and also maybe learn something. TLew really nailed it though and bo3 summarized it in two sentences.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 03:59 AM
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You turn the outdoor faucet on full blast, does the water shoot out the hose the same distance without something constricting on the end?
Also, can the plane take off if on a treadmill?
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 04:05 AM
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Oh good grief.... pellets (shot) flies the same distance per “load”, choke only sets direction, (spread).
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 04:10 AM
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What direction does a full choke shoot as compared to a modified? All this time I’ve been blaming myself. Oh good grief.... pellets (shot) flies the same distance per “load”, choke only sets direction.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 04:23 AM
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Full shoots a tighter pattern than modified.... go to briley.com and dig down, lots of good info.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 04:28 AM
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I really want to see this actually tested on about a 300 yard range. Same gun, same 7.5, 1 1/8oz loads off of bags with a good aiming point; only difference being the choke. My expectation is the only difference will be the width of the dust cloud around the 200 yard mark.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 04:51 AM
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Full shoots a tighter pattern than modified.... go to briley.com and dig down, lots of good info. Sarcasm is dead.
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Re: Choke question
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07/24/19 01:05 PM
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Full shoots a tighter pattern than modified.... go to briley.com and dig down, lots of good info. Sarcasm is dead. Only if the treadmill is USS Eisenhower. Otherwise it's alive and well
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 12:19 AM
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All chokes shoot about the same distance. The difference is pattern size and density at different ranges. FTFY. Agree though hence my post Can you please explain.
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 12:24 AM
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Also, can the plane take off if on a treadmill?
No you need air to travel over the wing at different speeds to create pressure differences for lift
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 12:25 AM
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Full shoots a tighter pattern than modified.... go to briley.com and dig down, lots of good info. Sarcasm is dead.
Do not trifle in the affairs of dragons, for thou art crunchy and taste good with ketchup.
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 12:28 AM
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No sarcasm meant.....briley.com has great information...... leader in chokes, patterns, etc..
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 01:19 AM
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Also, can the plane take off if on a treadmill?
No you need air to travel over the wing at different speeds to create pressure differences for lift All about airspeed and angle of attack creating more lift than the planes weight. Hint, treadmill does and doesn’t matter. The whole pressure difference between the top and bottom of the wing due to airfoil shape theory is BS. Don’t believe me? How do planes fly upside down? And Tighter choke makes the shot go further, if even .001”.
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 12:58 PM
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Choke nor speed has nothing to do with this, density does
The faster you launch it, the faster it slows down
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 01:43 PM
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Is this like, which weighs more a pound of gold or a pound of feathers?
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 04:06 PM
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Is this like, which weighs more a pound of gold or a pound of feathers? When you can throw 10lbs of feathers unrestrained across the room and knock me out, let me know. That is an asinine statement concerning chokes, #9 TSS will kill farther than #6 Lead, Bismuth, Hevi, Tungsten Matrix or Steel and do it with more efficiency, with better pattern density, requires less velocity and do it with a smaller overall payload thru a more open choke.
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 05:45 PM
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Is this like, which weighs more a pound of gold or a pound of feathers? When you can throw 10lbs of feathers unrestrained across the room and knock me out, let me know. That is an asinine statement concerning chokes, #9 TSS will kill farther than #6 Lead, Bismuth, Hevi, Tungsten Matrix or Steel and do it with more efficiency, with better pattern density, requires less velocity and do it with a smaller overall payload thru a more open choke. Chokes have nothing to do with Max Ordnance distance. Shoot the same shells through the same chokes and they will go the same distance. That a TSS, shot of smaller size but more weight is not part of the poll question. A TSS will shoot the same distance from a cylinder bore as an extra full coke. The reason the harder shot like TSS and some other shot including steel pattern better from a more open choke is the constriction squeezes them together changing the direction some a going and produces a less dense pattern and there will be more flyers out of the pattern with the very tight chokes.
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 06:11 PM
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Is this like, which weighs more a pound of gold or a pound of feathers? When you can throw 10lbs of feathers unrestrained across the room and knock me out, let me know. That is an asinine statement concerning chokes, #9 TSS will kill farther than #6 Lead, Bismuth, Hevi, Tungsten Matrix or Steel and do it with more efficiency, with better pattern density, requires less velocity and do it with a smaller overall payload thru a more open choke. Chokes have nothing to do with Max Ordnance distance. Shoot the same shells through the same chokes and they will go the same distance. That a TSS, shot of smaller size but more weight is not part of the poll question. A TSS will shoot the same distance from a cylinder bore as an extra full coke. The reason the harder shot like TSS and some other shot including steel pattern better from a more open choke is the constriction squeezes them together changing the direction some a going and produces a less dense pattern and there will be more flyers out of the pattern with the very tight chokes. I guess theoretically a choke could make a difference if the dispersement was wide enough where some pellets were going into the wind vs some going with the wind but a variable would need to be different between pellets to effect flight.
Last edited by GLC; 07/25/19 06:22 PM.
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 07:23 PM
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Using this logic, any 195gr bullet would travel the same distance and carry the same energy regardless of exterior design.
This whole thing has been beat to death numerous times, bore diameter (as I was reminded via text) or constriction neither play a part in distance traveled of a pellet or pellets.
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Re: Choke question
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07/25/19 07:46 PM
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Using this logic, any 195gr bullet would travel the same distance and carry the same energy regardless of exterior design.
This whole thing has been beat to death numerous times, bore diameter (as I was reminded via text) or constriction neither play a part in distance traveled of a pellet or pellets. Actually, in your statement above, different types-manufactures-materials of bullets may fly differently even if they are all 195 grain bullets, with the same diameter, with the same powder charge and out of the same barrel, so in this statement, they will have different ballistics. But this was the actual question above , Which choke shoots pellets the longest or farthest distance? Which choke causes the pellets to travel farthest? In this instance since all the pellets are the same, they would all have the same BC and all fly the same as long as other variables remain constant to each pellet. IE:powder charge, direction of flight, etc.
Last edited by GLC; 07/25/19 07:52 PM.
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