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Hunting the West with a Muzzleloader #7556712 07/15/19 04:30 PM
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Dad and I drew NM Unit 15 ML tags this year. I do not own a ML, nor have I ever fired a ML. So...it is time for a quick lesson before October gets here!

I am looking to buy either a Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader or the TC Encore Pro Hunter. I am curious if anyone with ML experience could lend an opinion at the two different rifles.

Once I choose a rifle, I will get into figuring out a proper load recipe.



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The Remington Ultimate is a very nice muzzleloader. My brother bought one for a NM muley hunt we did a couple years ago. He has had a Gunwerks since, which was also very nice.

If I were buying a muzzleloader today it would be the CVA Paramount. Limits you in a few places (can't use it in Colorado for instance), but is perfectly legal for deer and elk in NM, AZ, and UT.

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Is your hunt a 'restricted' or non-restricted Muzzleloader tag-- it matters--

https://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/...-throughout-the-western-states#gs.pxcicc

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I have shot a handful of them in Colorado and Montana. I would not purchase a TC...the ones that my friends had would not shoot the same place twice unless you cleaned them in between shots. It has been a while since then but that was my experience.
One thing I also noticed that is very important, is that if you sight in when it is warm and nice out and then you end up in the snow and cold...your poi is often way off!


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Re: Hunting the West with a Muzzleloader [Re: duckhunter175] #7557207 07/16/19 12:29 AM
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Originally Posted by duckhunter175
Is your hunt a 'restricted' or non-restricted Muzzleloader tag-- it matters--

https://www.gohunt.com/read/skills/...-throughout-the-western-states#gs.pxcicc



Unit 15 is not restricted.



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If you aren't restricted and you don't regularly hunt in areas that have restrictive muzzleloader regulations then I would get the biggest, baddest, longest shooting muzzleloader (Rem700) that I could.

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stxranchman has hunted with a muzzleloader. may pm him.


I don't hunt with one but if its a good tag, spring for a good one that would be easy to re-sell if you don't plan on using it in the future.

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I have an older Rem 700ML in 54 that is really accurate. I also have an old TC Renegade in 54. I have taken 9 or 10 elk with them in my native CO, most of them with theTC. Have also taken around 20 deer of various species in a number of states. While not the models you are looking at they are from the same makers.

My suggestion is too look at both side by side and get the one that fits you best and then work up an accurate load. 5 grains of power can make a big difference.


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Also I would recommend that you use Blackhorn 209 powder. It is a little more expensive but is a good propellent. The best thing is you can shoot many times without having to constantly swab the barrel.
Keep in mind you need to clean this product like you do with modern firearms. Don't use water based cleaning when using Blackhorn.

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Originally Posted by GOLDSTEIN
Dad and I drew NM Unit 15 ML tags this year. I do not own a ML, nor have I ever fired a ML. So...it is time for a quick lesson before October gets here!

I am looking to buy either a Remington 700 Ultimate Muzzleloader or the TC Encore Pro Hunter. I am curious if anyone with ML experience could lend an opinion at the two different rifles.

Once I choose a rifle, I will get into figuring out a proper load recipe.


Do both, you need two any way. That way you arenít restricted on future states. Machining Technology is about
as good as itís going to get, components will be the future difference.

My one off advice is get stainless.



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Im clueless about muzzles but yall got me curious. If a man went completely top of the line what would the distance be that you could expect a 95% kill off a good rest?


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Originally Posted by freerange
Im clueless about muzzles but yall got me curious. If a man went completely top of the line what would the distance be that you could expect a 95% kill off a good rest?

We use to sit on my buddys porch and shoot Prairie dogs out to 100 yds with them.


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Originally Posted by freerange
Im clueless about muzzles but yall got me curious. If a man went completely top of the line what would the distance be that you could expect a 95% kill off a good rest?


Top of the line, and very liberal state regulations 500-600 yards maybe a touch more.

Very traditional and conservative regs like CO, is how ever good you are with open sights, say 200 +- yards maybe a little more.


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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Im clueless about muzzles but yall got me curious. If a man went completely top of the line what would the distance be that you could expect a 95% kill off a good rest?


Top of the line, and very liberal state regulations 500-600 yards maybe a touch more.

Very traditional and conservative regs like CO, is how ever good you are with open sights, say 200 +- yards maybe a little more.






What about Okla? Im clueless and didn't even realize there were restriction.


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Originally Posted by freerange
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Im clueless about muzzles but yall got me curious. If a man went completely top of the line what would the distance be that you could expect a 95% kill off a good rest?


Top of the line, and very liberal state regulations 500-600 yards maybe a touch more.

Very traditional and conservative regs like CO, is how ever good you are with open sights, say 200 +- yards maybe a little more.






What about Okla? Im clueless and didn't even realize there were restriction.


Liberal just canít use breech loading, has to load from Muzzle


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Originally Posted by BOBO the Clown
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Im clueless about muzzles but yall got me curious. If a man went completely top of the line what would the distance be that you could expect a 95% kill off a good rest?


Top of the line, and very liberal state regulations 500-600 yards maybe a touch more.

Very traditional and conservative regs like CO, is how ever good you are with open sights, say 200 +- yards maybe a little more.






What about Okla? Im clueless and didn't even realize there were restriction.


Liberal just can’t use breech loading, has to load from Muzzle


Thanks Bobo but once again im dumb as red dirt. Considering what you just said, what kind of DISTANCE could top line equipment within OK regs allow you to stretch out to with a good rest and expect 95% kills on deer??


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With mastering a system like Mcwhorter or Gunwerks offers I say 400 pretty easy 5-600 if you spend the time to truly learn the rifle


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wow, I had no idea. I thought the reasons they had special seasons for them was because they had very limited range, like 100 yds to 150 max. Maybe that was the old days. Thanks.


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wow, I had no idea. I thought the reasons they had special seasons for them was because they had very limited range, like 100 yds to 150 max. Maybe that was the old days. Thanks.


some states like CO keep regulations in check to keep them more traditional no optics, no sabot bullets, no smokeless powder or even pellets etc.


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wow, I had no idea. I thought the reasons they had special seasons for them was because they had very limited range, like 100 yds to 150 max. Maybe that was the old days. Thanks.


some states like CO keep regulations in check to keep them more traditional no optics, no sabot bullets, no smokeless powder or even pellets etc.



I heard that Oklahoma has a new muzzleloader regulation about hunting after "knee surgery" and no longer allows hunting for the season after said surgery bolt Said it was the "Clown Clause".... grin



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wow, I had no idea. I thought the reasons they had special seasons for them was because they had very limited range, like 100 yds to 150 max. Maybe that was the old days. Thanks.


some states like CO keep regulations in check to keep them more traditional no optics, no sabot bullets, no smokeless powder or even pellets etc.



I heard that Oklahoma has a new muzzleloader regulation about hunting after "knee surgery" and no longer allows hunting for the season after said surgery bolt Said it was the "Clown Clause".... grin


Technology has come along was since then!! Anyone want to buy a 25 yard ML, itís never missed dirt. Obieís memory is strong


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I have the TC pro hunter and Iíve been consistent out to 250 yds

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