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6mm creedmoor #7552494 07/09/19 09:32 PM
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with a 1-8 twist shooting a 107gr hpbt, achieves 2950-3100 fps, long range results were good, is this just another fad, lighter recoil than the 6.5.. I don't have a dog is this fight, just curious to everyone's thoughts, several rifle mfg's are producing rifles

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Hard to say. It's more over-bore than the 6.5 which suggests it may eat a barrel faster. I can't believe there's much difference in recoil. To me the 6.5 is a good bit more versatile. I suspect more than anything there were some marketing requirements in place between the ammo mfgs and the gun companies. I feel the .243 is as good or better than the 6 CM, or close enough you can't split the hair. The 6 CM will be decent at long range shooting but not LR hunting as it doesn't carry the energy of its big brother. So what does this cartridge really do other than carry a new name?


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105's 800 yards and less are a laser beam. Beyond 800 yards, and in a 10+ mph wind, please give me back my 6.5 Creedmoor with 140's around 2800 fps MV.

A really good friend of mine, that is a very knowledgeable shooter cannot say enough good about the 6mm Creedmoor as long as it is loaded with 115 gr DTACs. I have not personally shot that combo, however.


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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: colt45-90] #7552548 07/09/19 10:11 PM
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They dont shoot worth a chit, just ask Big Fitz


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I swapped out the 18" 308 barrel for a 20" 6mm CM in my Wilson Combat AR10
Love it, haven't really one much long range stuff with it but the 87g VMAX was awesome on doe headshots last season.

Just a damned fun gun to shoot.

Though, truth be told, it's pretty much a 243

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I've had one in some form or fashion for the last 4 years. I have lately only ran 115 dtac's at 2950-3050 fps with a .320 g7 they are pretty tough to beat and I get over 2k rds a barrel. I prefer it or the 22 creed over the 6.5 version.


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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
They dont shoot worth a chit, just ask Big Fitz


Put down the Silver Bullets Buzz. I like mine and will always have one. Agree with Jason and Dee on the 115 DTAC, it is sweet!


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Re: 6mm creedmoor [Re: Buzzsaw] #7552645 07/10/19 12:00 AM
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Originally Posted by Buzzsaw
They dont shoot worth a chit, just ask Big Fitz


Not the fault of the cartridge.


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
105's 800 yards and less are a laser beam. Beyond 800 yards, and in a 10+ mph wind, please give me back my 6.5 Creedmoor with 140's around 2800 fps MV.

A really good friend of mine, that is a very knowledgeable shooter cannot say enough good about the 6mm Creedmoor as long as it is loaded with 115 gr DTACs. I have not personally shot that combo, however.

Jason, wouldn't it need to be a 1-7 twist for the 115's


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Dee, are you shooting a 1-7 twist?


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Originally Posted by colt45
Dee, are you shooting a 1-7 twist?


Primary barrel at the present time is a 7 twist. Backup gun which was last years primary is a 7.75 twist. Both run the same exact load at the same speed. Only differences are twist and the backup has 1600rds on it.


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Not great for reaching out really far, not great for barrel life. But really good in short and medium range and very low recoil. Pick your poison. For me, the 6.5 is just a better option.

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Originally Posted by patriot07
Not great for reaching out really far, not great for barrel life. But really good in short and medium range and very low recoil. Pick your poison. For me, the 6.5 is just a better option.


Unless one is pushing the 6.5 extremely hard (over max) it won't beat a 6mm with a dtac inside a mile and farther with a 140 or 147.


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Not great for reaching out really far, not great for barrel life. But really good in short and medium range and very low recoil. Pick your poison. For me, the 6.5 is just a better option.


Unless one is pushing the 6.5 extremely hard (over max) it won't beat a 6mm with a dtac inside a mile and farther with a 140 or 147.


I ran the DTAC against the 135gr Atip, at 1000 yards the DTAC was ahead both in drop and drift. Pretty impressive.


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They dont shoot worth a chit, just ask Big Fitz


Not the fault of the cartridge.


And we know it ain't me since I'm a superhamahama sniper.


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Not great for reaching out really far, not great for barrel life. But really good in short and medium range and very low recoil. Pick your poison. For me, the 6.5 is just a better option.


Unless one is pushing the 6.5 extremely hard (over max) it won't beat a 6mm with a dtac inside a mile and farther with a 140 or 147.


I ran the DTAC against the 135gr Atip, at 1000 yards the DTAC was ahead both in drop and drift. Pretty impressive.


They are certainly more potent than they get credit for. Something ironic I've noticed is that litz originally had the bc at a .307 but mine trued out to .320 out to a mile. I was playing a few days ago with my kestrel and noticed litz custom curve is now more inline with my bc if not a touch better. I'm not sure if they have retested or what but it's far closer than it was.


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Not great for reaching out really far, not great for barrel life. But really good in short and medium range and very low recoil. Pick your poison. For me, the 6.5 is just a better option.


Unless one is pushing the 6.5 extremely hard (over max) it won't beat a 6mm with a dtac inside a mile and farther with a 140 or 147.


I ran the DTAC against the 135gr Atip, at 1000 yards the DTAC was ahead both in drop and drift. Pretty impressive.


They are certainly more potent than they get credit for. Something ironic I've noticed is that litz originally had the bc at a .307 but mine trued out to .320 out to a mile. I was playing a few days ago with my kestrel and noticed litz custom curve is now more inline with my bc if not a touch better. I'm not sure if they have retested or what but it's far closer than it was.

What speed are you running the DTAC?

The other issue with a 115 at those distances is the splash can be quite a bit less than a 140 (I've heard - no personal experience).

Honestly, I think the last time I ran the calc was with the 108 ELD-M, but I can't remember. At least the DTAC is relatively affordable. I may rebarrel with a 6mm after I figure out what MV you guys are getting.

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The accuracy node I run is 2950fps. Its wide and easy to get with rl23 and a 28" barrel it's a measly 52k psi.


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There's about 4-5 of us running the same combo of rl23 with dtac's in that 2950 window and none have legitimately killed a barrel yet. Most are pulling at 2k but I think you'll see 2500 or more before you drop speed. My barrel from last year is at 1500 and chronos within 3fps of my current barrel running the exact same ammo.


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I love the 6 creed and have gone through more than a few barrels. Extremely low recoil, great in the wind and unknown distance shots due to it being a flat shooter. But to really get the benefit you have to run the right bullet. Running a 115 at 3050, mine is 3060, it has as much energy at 1000 as a 6.5 140 eld-m running 2800, the lack of energy you hear about is always from people shooting the 105-108 bullets. The slight added weight of the 115 helps, but it's the bc that carries the energy.
As to barrel life it all depends on how you run it, theres no free lunches. My first barrel I was running them a little over 3100 and she went south on me around 1600 rounds, and by went south I mean went from a one hole gun to over a inch and quick. However it was a match rifle and she got very hot on quite a few occasions. Like 20 round stages in south tx heat at Rifles Only matches hot. Same for the second barrel. I dropped it back to 3050-3060 and more and more matches quit doing the barrel burning stages and that one went 2k before I pulled it. Same results with other match shooters I've talked with about it.
I know people love their 6.5's (my son included) but give me a 6 creed every time. As for killing, I've shot countless pigs, and quite a few deer with it and theres not a pig or deer around that can tell the difference between a 6 creed or a 6.5 creed.

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