I don’t even hunt HF, but it’s sicking watching guys that have been banned for slamming others hunts carry on like they are the gold standard model for hunters. I guess they wear their ban like a red badge of courage..

Doc,

Your not stupid, arrogant yes but not stupid. At least own the fact that your veiled insults of having half a brain if I disagree with you, I could have some respect for you.

Sitting in a box some on elevated stands in a comfy chair with a steady rifle rest, watching a timed corn feeder or planted food plot used to draw deer in, using trail cameras to pattern & select targets to put on your 'hit' list, quality optics both binoculars & scoped rifles.

And the height of the fence determines 'fair chase' or not... or somehow changes the definition of 'hunting / hunter'.

I'll take that.

I apologize if that post insulted you. I should have known there are people on THF who are incapable of realizing a HF restricts deer movement, prevents them from escaping, and inhibits fair chase.

So funny and clever.....is this good for your business?

You didn't like the definition of escape did you? Lol. So now we are changing it to a person actively hunting? Geez....it's like hitting a constantly moving target.

HF confinement has nothing to do with how far someone can see while hunting or how much land they can cover. If that were the case no one would build them, Bobo. It has to do with artificially restricting movement of wildlife and usually management. You also already know that. It's the entire reason for existence of HF hunting operations...control and confinement.

Just admit it confines the deer and prevents them from escaping. You'll save us about 3 pages on this thread.

You tell me, Lol.

I may be gaining customers from my posts....

What's nonsensical is your perception of control..... confinement yes but it applies to YOU, the deer not so much

No Doc you're wrong and you show that intelligence is not guaranteed when booking an appointment with a dentist.

Example: There are numerous high fenced WMAs managed and controlled by TPW. The purpose of the fence is to keep other deer out, not in........do your homework before you flap your gums...

What? If I’m hunting you and you aren’t viewable or in the area you have escaped me. Period you are the only one I know that can hunt an entire ranch at one time

Like I said earlier if the hunter is more confined then the deer it’s hunting, if the deer is more confined then the hunter it’s a pen. And if you are actively hunting fence line to fence line I’d seriously question safety, but to each their own

1 acre or 10,000 acres.....a pen is a pen.

It is kind of like the guy who asked a woman if she'd sleep with him for a million dollars....she says yes. Then he asks if she would for $100....she says no what kind of woman do you thin I am. He replied....we've already established what kind of woman you are....now we are just negotiating the price.

Same with HF......would you shoot pets(I mean deer) in 10,000 acre pen....reply...SURE. Would you shoot a pet in a 1 acre pen....NO....what kind of hunter do you think I am!?!?! Well....we have already established you are not hunting....now we just need to find a pen size to mean your warped sense of "hunting".

Feel better now? You have alienated yourself from many people like me and I don't hunt HF. You know where I hunt....and for what? You think your post is going to change anything?

Well same size deer cost more on LF so who is worse the guy that paid more just to get his name in a book or the one that doesn’t care about the recorded book prize? Of course via your example.

I hate to see what you think about guys with high end leases and big houses

I like the gums pun.

So let me get this straight...the HF on those WMA's only keep deer out, they don't keep deer in?? That's a new one, I guess it's a one way HF? (sarcasm)

Once again...confinement and control.

Thanks for the insult on my intelligence.

Might as well have some fun....lol

Sir, I must remonstrate.

We can disagree, but I won’t be called a Democrat.

If anyone here is acting like a Democrat, it is you. Your the one wanting to tell other people what they can do.

I don’t give a shat what your ignorant opinion is on the HF matter. I hope that all the HF hunters who enjoy their hunting truly piss you off.

Truth be told I'm too dumb, too poor, and too ugly to hunt HF so I just make fun of those who do.

Did you even read my posts? I specifically said I don't care if people want to hunt HF. Like I said, buy a deer and put it in your backyard and kill it.

It's not going to piss me off because I really don't care what you do or what anyone else does. The only ignorant post I read was yours about the 3 types of HF haters which specifically ignores the most common type of person who opposes HF and that is those who are opposed to artificial confinement.

Sorry for the democrat comment, that was truly a terrible insult.

I really don't have a dog in this fight but here goes. Someone earlier mentioned a woman and the cost for sex. Then they mentioned the size of the so called HF. Did not matter if 1 acre or 1000 all the same. I have been around longer than probably at least 90 percent of those that think they know everything. As most know I have a HF to raise Nubian Ibex. I still don't know from the experts on here where a LF ends and a HF begins. I hear a HF confines an animal and can't escape. I also own a LF place and next to me is a LF where I used to run cattle. Ibex became more profitable so I gave my son the lease. Feeding deer be it LF or HFis the same. Deer are like people on welfare or like most of you waiting on your paycheck. You know when it is going to arrive. You are going to be waiting for it to be handed to you or you are going to check you account to make sure it did. I can trip the timer at the LF place and tell you how many deer are going to come. I see the same deer on the neighbors place every morning when I go by it to feed my Ibex. LF deer may not be confined by a fence but they are by feed. So piss and moan about HF all you want. You are just kidding yourself if you are feeding deer you are not confining them.

If it’s all the same, they wouldn’t be built. They cost $$$, you know. People don’t spend $$$ for the fun of it.

I get the desire to justify them as cool, fine, and all the same by those who favor them, but when we get to all these silly arguments like they don’t prevent escape and food confines deer just like HF, who’s kidding who?

TRUTH

People don’t spend money for fun......put the bottle down

I appreciate your apology for the Democrat comment.

My “backyard” is 1,500 acres. Wanna place a bet on if you can find a specific buck in there? I’ll give you all season. If you find the buck & get him he’s free. If (when) you don’t, you can then shut your pie hole. Deal?

I like the idea that if your fence restricts game movement you should be required to compensate the state of Texas for every animal you fence in. Just the same way a poacher should be fined. If you’re willing to pay that price then you are allowed your high fence. The deer inside your fence are then considered livestock, and not under TPWD. Free range whitetail deer are the property of the people in the state of Texas not the Kings deer.

Most I know would love to stroke that check, I'm sure none would have a problem with that since seasons and harvest restriction laws would go out the window and TAHC would be solely in charge of disease regulation. They would have full discretion to manage their habitat and flora freely any way they choose.

One and done deal for a lot of farmers too. They can HF and shot the jumpers year round.