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High Fences Ad Nauseam #7538265 06/19/19 11:15 PM
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Ok, let's say TPWD, based on input from all stakeholders, decides no more high fences may be constructed on acreage less than _______ acres.

Assume everyone with fences previous to the new guidelines will be grandfathered.

What's the number?

-0-?

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I'd say to hell with TPWD and a man can build a fence as high as he damn well pleased on his own property.


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My ranch is 1045 acres and I have some HF due to neighbors. I don't want to high fence my whole ranch. Good neighbors to the south and east, not so much to the west and north.
I have no opinion on a minimum size, each case is different.


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piney woods, rolling plains, hill country? not very realistic to put a number out state wide. I'm not at all a fan of high fences, I deer hunt maybe 4 days a year, but I am totally against high fences as a view towards all hunters. But, I feel that private land owners should be able to construct a fence, wall, barrier, etc of a height that makes them happy, and keeps "their" deer in. I've actually considered and ran the numbers on building a high fence to keep deer out.

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im gonna try to stay away from this one but I wish Fouzman would clarify more specifically what you want before this shoots off in every direction.
Do you want to know what TPWD likely WOULD do?
Do you want to know what we think TPWD SHOULD do?
Also, I know its hypothetical but its unrealistic to think they could keep a property owner from putting up a fence.
The more realistic possibility would be to outlaw hunting within a certain size enclosure.
Notice im not taking a stand on this but just trying to streamline the question a little.


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So no more high fencing your gardens to keep the deer & other destructive opportunist out of them.

Seems sooner or later land owner rights are going to be diminished to the point where nobody will want to.

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Originally Posted by freerange
im gonna try to stay away from this one but I wish Fouzman would clarify more specifically what you want before this shoots off in every direction.
Do you want to know what TPWD likely WOULD do?
Do you want to know what we think TPWD SHOULD do?
Also, I know its hypothetical but its unrealistic to think they could keep a property owner from putting up a fence.
The more realistic possibility would be to outlaw hunting within a certain size enclosure.
Notice im not taking a stand on this but just trying to streamline the question a little.


Nor am I. After reading all of the comments on the Hornography thread, I simply wanted to know if there would be an acceptable sized high-fenced ranch. Or is it -0-?

Nothing more or less. Tried to phrase the question so it wouldn't stir the masses. Impossible, I know.

My question was sincere.

p.s. - TPWD isn't going to make folks tear down existing fences.

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Can we add a twist? If the deer are the property of the state and you elect to erect a high fence:

A) The state does a survey of deer populations within the confinements of the fence and the owner has to reimburse the state for the deer that are no longer considered "free range" / property of Texas.

B) The state removes "their" deer at the owners expense and the owner can then purchase the deer of their choice from a certified breeder.

Either election would mean that the state of Texas no longer has any say on harvest restrictions of said property, specific to WTD.

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Originally Posted by regularguy11B
I'd say to hell with TPWD and a man can build a fence as high as he damn well pleased on his own property.



I absolutely concur. Period. End of story.

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Originally Posted by soonersorlaters
Can we add a twist? If the deer are the property of the state and you elect to erect a high fence:

A) The state does a survey of deer populations within the confinements of the fence and the owner has to reimburse the state for the deer that are no longer considered "free range" / property of Texas.

B) The state removes "their" deer at the owners expense and the owner can then purchase the deer of their choice from a certified breeder.

Either election would mean that the state of Texas no longer has any say on harvest restrictions of said property, specific to WTD.

I actually like this idea. Personally, I abhor High fences. At the same time, I don't think the Government should be able to tell a landowner what type of fence he can build or not build. This way, the landowner can build or not build as he see's fit, as long as he wants to pay for it.


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I would build it 1/2" lower than the law stated, then their BS would not apply.


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That ship has sailed here in Texas.


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It will never happen. And way after i am ashes if it does I feel sorry for all those that died protecting us from this kind of government then their deaths were for nothing.

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Sad that there are those out there that feel that they have some sort of right to tell others what they can and cannot do on their land.

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Originally Posted by regularguy11B
I'd say to hell with TPWD and a man can build a fence as high as he damn well pleased on his own property.



Yup...end of discussion....


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Originally Posted by ErnestTBass
Originally Posted by regularguy11B
I'd say to hell with TPWD and a man can build a fence as high as he damn well pleased on his own property.



I absolutely concur. Period. End of story.

Originally Posted by EddieWalker
Sad that there are those out there that feel that they have some sort of right to tell others what they can and cannot do on their land.

A law like this would start a civil war in our state IMO. This is why I believe nothing is going to change the status quo. So why do we fight amongst ourselves about an issue that divides us that is here to stay? What good comes from it?
For those that wish this practice to become illegal, have you really considered the ramifications of trying to tear down fences on private property? There would be blood, and lots of it......and for what? To kill deer the way you want them killed?


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Bag limits, seasons, no night hunting for deer, etc., etc., etc.

Breathless hyperbole aside, there are lots of restrictions on what you can do on your land just related to hunting. There are HF bans in many states out west and down south that are not exactly anti-property rights states. They just realize that the neighbors and others who pay for statewide game management through their tax and license $$$ have rights too.

None of that even counts property taxes, zoning in many cases, and all kinds of other restrictions non-hunting related related to property.

But itís too late for Texas to change it. Too much land under HF at this point.


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Originally Posted by SnakeWrangler
Originally Posted by regularguy11B
I'd say to hell with TPWD and a man can build a fence as high as he damn well pleased on his own property.



Yup...end of discussion....


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It will never happen. And way after i am ashes if it does I feel sorry for all those that died protecting us from this kind of government then their deaths were for nothing.


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Originally Posted by Nogalus Prairie
Bag limits, seasons, no night hunting for deer, etc., etc., etc.

Breathless hyperbole aside, there are lots of restrictions on what you can do on your land just related to hunting. There are HF bans in many states out west and down south that are not exactly anti-property rights states. They just realize that the neighbors and others who pay for statewide game management through their tax and license $$$ have rights too.

None of that even counts property taxes, zoning in many cases, and all kinds of other restrictions non-hunting related related to property.

But itís too late for Texas to change it. Too much land under HF at this point.

This thread is about Texas, not other states. texas


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Im not sure what the OP wanted to get out of this thread but I don't think it was to rehash what I assume has been on many threads before. He started the thread with "So, lets say" so hes talking about a hypothetical question. Neither I nor the OP nor most of yall think this will happen. Because of that its been said that its not worth discussing and will further divide us and that may very well be true.
Im assuming the OP wanted to know our opinions on what would/should be considered fairchase or ethical hunting when hunting within an enclosure. If theres ever a survey that goes out to the public with a question of this nature then im sure the antis will fill it out and the non hunters may fill it out as well. Will you throw your survey away? Will you scribble in the margin "Hail Texas, F U and Remember the Alamo"? Or will you take a stab at a number of acres that seems ethical TO YOU? I am not sure the short answer not the long one for this situation but IMO we do not need to stick our head in the sand if we care about the future of hunting. I do not think HF will go away in Texas but I do know there are a lot of responsible Texans that love our hunting heritage and they are working hard to figure out a way to control what many would perceive as unethical "hunting" practices. I am NOT saying HF hunting is unethical at all but rather canned hunts or hunting tame deer is, IMO.
For what its worth im not strongly for or against HF but I do love Texas and property rights and Freedom and hunting.

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IMO - canned hunting is an abomination. Most HF is not canned hunting. I still do not like HF. I won't HF my place. I could imagine it if I had terrible white trash neighbors lining my fence line with feeders and shooting everything that moved up and down my fence line, but in general I have no desire for a HF. All that said, I don't want the government sticking its nose in regarding what kind of fence I can build.

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To declare a size restriction on HFíing is the same as declaring a hunting size on ANY rural unannexed property(which includes squirrels, skunks, raccoons, rats, possums etc). Laws should be made in reference to safety and sustainability. Not open ended theoretical mental gymnastics

If we want fair use of the peopleís trust deer then we need todo away with license tags and go solely to biologist mandated landowner/property tag allotment. If you want more tags buy them from a neighbor, or increase carrying capacity.

Term Ethical, Is a worm hole with no bottom. The ethics discussion is an anti tool used to eliminate hunting all together. It started with Antiís using hunters words for hound hunting and baiting. It has now moved through predator hunting/control legislation and trickle down to deer etc. Itís a trickle down effect. So while we all beat our fists and chastise each other from not hunting our way or projecting at others for potentially cheaping up our wall and gripe and grin egos, our hunting rights shrink.













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