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Re: Is this the scope I want? [Re: Cast] #7533110 06/12/19 03:15 PM
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Originally Posted by Cast
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Ok I did my half of the homework, the SS has 30 mils of elevation. With a 20 moa rail that’s “way way” out there.

For reference my 7-08 is 10.1 mils of elevation for 1000 yards. That confirmed data.

If the Burris doesn’t have more elevation I’d say the 34mm tube is for fashion points.


Hard to find but here it is -

Features & details
Matte black 5-25x50mm Riflescope; length: 16.31 in; weight: 32.10 oz
Reticles: G2B Mil-Dot; Objective Lens Diameter: 58mm; Illumination Setting: 11 Brightness Setting
Focal plane: fop; main tube size: 34mm; click value: 1/10 mil; 100-click knob
Field of View: 21 low-4.3 high (ftat100yds); Eye Relief: 3.5-4.25 in; Exit Pupil: 10 low-2.0 high(mm)
Elevation Adjustment total capability: 90 MOA; windage Adjustment: 55 MOA; Battery: CR2032

Elevation - 90 MOA
Windage - 55 MOA

That is a big difference! I won’t be using the mil dot, but that will not change the adjustment range.




MOA and MIL are two different measurements. 90 MOA is 26.67 MILS. So looks like the SFWA will have 4 more MILS or 13.50 MOA of elevation than the Burris has.


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Re: Is this the scope I want? [Re: KRoyal] #7533126 06/12/19 03:34 PM
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Thanks for converting that for me. Mil is still a little Greek to me. My gut is telling me to buy the Burris.


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You probably want to look at sportoptics.com

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Re: Is this the scope I want? [Re: Brother in-law] #7533150 06/12/19 03:59 PM
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Originally Posted by Brother in-law
You probably want to look at sportoptics.com

Yes, that is a really good price on this scope and you get a free set of Burris rings. Use them or sell them.

https://www.sportoptics.com/burris-xtr-ii-5-25x-50-201054.aspx


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You will use the Mil reticle. That's how you hold for wind. And the .22lr is affected by every 1 mph of wind.

When time is short, you can use the reticle to hold over for elevation as well. I did that on Kyles varmint stage. 25 yards, 35 yards, 50 yards, 75 yards, 100 yards. You can hold on your zero until you get past 50 yards, then you have to hold elevation, or your bullet will miss low. And the rifle was in such a position, dialing elevation would have been a pain in the rear, and ate up the clock.


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So it has a mil dot reticle and an moa turret? That would turn me off even if it was a better scope.

Re: Is this the scope I want? [Re: wp75169] #7533172 06/12/19 04:19 PM
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Originally Posted by wp75169
So it has a mil dot reticle and an moa turret? That would turn me off even if it was a better scope.

No, it has a Mil reticle and Mil turret. Just don't think Cast is familiar with all the terms just yet.


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Originally Posted by wp75169
So it has a mil dot reticle and an moa turret? That would turn me off even if it was a better scope.


No that was the wrong scope/reticle. Here is the proper model info -

Features & details
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Field of view: 21 low-4.3High feet at 100 yards
Tube diameter: 34mm
Click value: 1/10 mil
Product information SCR Mil, Mil based SCR, Mt Black
Product Dimensions 20 x 5 x 4 inches
Item Weight 3.5 pounds
Shipping Weight 3.5 pounds
Department unisex-adult
Manufacturer Burris
ASIN B00U1AV1W0
Manufacturer reference 201051
Batteries 1 Lithium Metal batteries required. (included)
Customer Reviews 4.5 out of 5 stars 19Reviews
Best Sellers Rank 336928
Date first listed on Amazon January 10, 2015

Weight is 3.5 pounds for this model.


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Originally Posted by wp75169
So it has a mil dot reticle and an moa turret? That would turn me off even if it was a better scope.


Burris knows better than that. As does most manufacturers these days.


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Re: Is this the scope I want? [Re: KRoyal] #7533185 06/12/19 04:34 PM
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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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You probably want to look at sportoptics.com

Yes, that is a really good price on this scope and you get a free set of Burris rings. Use them or sell them.

https://www.sportoptics.com/burris-xtr-ii-5-25x-50-201054.aspx


That does look like a deal. The Burris XTR Sig rings are serious rings. They are low but if you call to order they will swap them for me.

What height y’all reckon I will need?


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Most manufacturers "medium".

It is a damn shame there is no industry standard. Every manufacturer has a different measurement for low, medium, high, extra high.


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
Most manufacturers "medium".

It is a damn shame there is no industry standard. Every manufacturer has a different measurement for low, medium, high, extra high.


Here is the data on the rings.

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Originally Posted by Cast
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You probably want to look at sportoptics.com

Yes, that is a really good price on this scope and you get a free set of Burris rings. Use them or sell them.

https://www.sportoptics.com/burris-xtr-ii-5-25x-50-201054.aspx


That does look like a deal. The Burris XTR Sig rings are serious rings. They are low but if you call to order they will swap them for me.

What height y’all reckon I will need?

Yes call and change them to medium.

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Every manufacturer has a different measurement for low, medium, high, extra high.

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This scope and rings are new too. Not demos. Does not really matter but there it is.


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Originally Posted by KRoyal
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So it has a mil dot reticle and an moa turret? That would turn me off even if it was a better scope.

No, it has a Mil reticle and Mil turret. Just don't think Cast is familiar with all the terms just yet.


Absolutely! But this is a real learning experience. I finally actually understand the first focal plane difference and what that does for me.

This will be my first non Leupold scope.


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Originally Posted by Cast
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Most manufacturers "medium".

It is a damn shame there is no industry standard. Every manufacturer has a different measurement for low, medium, high, extra high.


Here is the data on the rings.

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I give them a B+

You have to have the right Torx drive to get them on and off. With Talley Tactical or Badger you need a 1/2" socket or wrench. Or hell, I've used a Crescent wrench many times.


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They are a better ring than Talley or Badger. I keep one of those Torx wrenches if my truck if you ever need one wink


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They have Talley Tactical but not Badger. They will not let me get credit towards Talley.


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So close, so close. Do not like the backorder.

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Those free rings will do it for free and .22, they aren’t bad like some rings.

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Originally Posted by Judd
They are a better ring than Talley or Badger. I keep one of those Torx wrenches if my truck if you ever need one wink



What do you know?

Bring me Vortex scopes, bullets the wrong color, and a rifle that's wobbling. Run a lap.


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I could just grab those Badger demos at SWFA.


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
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They are a better ring than Talley or Badger. I keep one of those Torx wrenches if my truck if you ever need one wink



What do you know?

Bring me Vortex scopes, bullets the wrong color, and a rifle that's wobbling. Run a lap.


Ain't a thing wrong with Vortex scopes....yes, they make bullets that don't have gay [censored] tips on them and that wobbling don't hurt a thing grin I might've embellished that last part.

The rings require no lapping, won't mark up your scope and should you need more elevation you can do it with the rings. They are a better ring. wink


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Originally Posted by Judd
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They are a better ring than Talley or Badger. I keep one of those Torx wrenches if my truck if you ever need one wink



What do you know?

Bring me Vortex scopes, bullets the wrong color, and a rifle that's wobbling. Run a lap.


Ain't a thing wrong with Vortex scopes....yes, they make bullets that don't have gay [censored] tips on them and that wobbling don't hurt a thing grin I might've embellished that last part.

The rings require no lapping, won't mark up your scope and should you need more elevation you can do it with the rings. They are a better ring. wink


I use sig rings on all my rifles. They are good. But because I will move this scope around. The torx screw heads would eventually get ragged. I like the 1/2” hex much better in this application.


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