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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: Superduty] #7471163
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Absolutely not, I was born and live by the constitution and the lil 2nd amendment is that important to me.


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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: Superduty] #7473089
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The one thing most don't take into consideration when they speak of the military coming to take our firearms, all of the military took an oath to protect and support the constitution. The second amendment and the bill of rights are part of that. I'm sure there would be some upper echelon office who would consider it a legal order but I think most would understand that it was not a legal order and not follow it. But if you keep electing radical leftist they will eventually remove the second amendment.


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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: Superduty] #7478050
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Originally Posted by Superduty
Resistance would be futile in the real world.



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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: FiremanJG] #7485852
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Originally Posted by Choctaw
The United States has shown a willingness to murder its own citizens when those citizens donít conform. As mentioned above, Ruby Ridge and Waco are horrendous examples of what this government is capable of. However, to disarm the populace would take an operation on such a vast scale I do not see how it would be realistically feasible.


It would take a foreign Army, and that would be viewed as an invasion. Then we are right back to one of the points of the Second Amendment. "The SECURITY of a free state.

My analogy is this. Due to over 400 years of private gun ownership on this continent, it is too late. It would be like saying you are going to close the gates after a thousand head of cattle have already got out.


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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: bucksnbass357] #7516782
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At the risk of making my point too often: It will be done with taxes on ammo and reloading supplies. There will be no standoff.

It will start with:

"We are NOT anti 2A - nobody wants to take away guns"
"It's only a penny per round, and hunters don't shoot all that much"
"The money will used to help the victims of gun violence"
"The money will used to promote gun safety"

It will a feel good thing that politicians will readily sign. It will be seen as an untapped revenue stream so it will become a nickel, then a dime, then a dollar, then.........the sky is the limit.
The Supreme Court of the United States has already ruled that there is not inherent limit to taxation imposed by Congress.

Tell me where I am wrong.

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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: Marc K] #7517853
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Originally Posted by Marc K
At the risk of making my point too often: It will be done with taxes on ammo and reloading supplies. There will be no standoff.

It will start with:

"We are NOT anti 2A - nobody wants to take away guns"
"It's only a penny per round, and hunters don't shoot all that much"
"The money will used to help the victims of gun violence"
"The money will used to promote gun safety"

It will a feel good thing that politicians will readily sign. It will be seen as an untapped revenue stream so it will become a nickel, then a dime, then a dollar, then.........the sky is the limit.
The Supreme Court of the United States has already ruled that there is not inherent limit to taxation imposed by Congress.

Tell me where I am wrong.

Marc



Agree with you Marc.

What scares me is also what can happen if universal background checks are mandatory. Cost of guns will rise due to transfer fees and less availability for used guns. Then the politicians will impose "tax stamp" requirements (like for class 3) which will start low and climb to the point where the average person can't afford to buy a gun. Before we know it, a cost of a $500 gun will cost $700+

Between that and ammo being taxed... and possible ammo restrictions... which will inflate the cost of ammo... it will no longer be financially feasible for many to own or shoot a gun.

Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: Dry Fire] #7532912
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The older I get, the threat of a life sentence becomes less of a deterrent.



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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: Dry Fire] #7533481
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Originally Posted by Sneaky
Many would comply. I will not be one of that particular many.


30 percent of American adults own guns. Of the US population 320 million about 25% are 18 and under . That leaves about 240 ,million adults. For simplicity, lets assume the 30% is low and bump it to 50%, so 120 million gun owners. With any law change only about 10% of the Americans resist the change. But since this is a really hot and heartfelt issue, lets up that to 30%. So 70% would comply, 30% or about 36 million Americans would not comply to to any law stating that they have to turn in their weapons. or become criminals under the new law.

If you get that knock on the door with LEO wanting to search your house and they have a court order, what would you do? Have a shoot out? You would lose. The first few dozen cases would change the minds of a lot of those 36 million that are resisting.

The argument that nobody will enforce the law is invalid, there are enough anti gun people that some will volunteer to enforce it. Besides the government can shut down the manufacture of ammo with the stroke of a pen, because at this point in time the 2nd Amendment would have been repealed.

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Originally Posted by Dry Fire
The older I get, the threat of a life sentence becomes less of a deterrent.

At my age and with my health issues, dying doesn't scare me, prison is not a deterrent, but missing seeing my wife, our son and his wife and our grandkids is a deterrent. It is easy to say I would fight t the end, but most won't.


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Re: Not really bunker, legislation but a General ? [Re: dogcatcher] #7534717
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Many would comply. I will not be one of that particular many.


30 percent of American adults own guns. Of the US population 320 million about 25% are 18 and under . That leaves about 240 ,million adults. For simplicity, lets assume the 30% is low and bump it to 50%, so 120 million gun owners. With any law change only about 10% of the Americans resist the change. But since this is a really hot and heartfelt issue, lets up that to 30%. So 70% would comply, 30% or about 36 million Americans would not comply to to any law stating that they have to turn in their weapons. or become criminals under the new law.

If you get that knock on the door with LEO wanting to search your house and they have a court order, what would you do? Have a shoot out? You would lose. The first few dozen cases would change the minds of a lot of those 36 million that are resisting.

The argument that nobody will enforce the law is invalid, there are enough anti gun people that some will volunteer to enforce it. Besides the government can shut down the manufacture of ammo with the stroke of a pen, because at this point in time the 2nd Amendment would have been repealed.

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The older I get, the threat of a life sentence becomes less of a deterrent.

At my age and with my health issues, dying doesn't scare me, prison is not a deterrent, but missing seeing my wife, our son and his wife and our grandkids is a deterrent. It is easy to say I would fight t the end, but most won't.




I agree wholeheartedly. Thatís the exact point I was trying to make.


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