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Re: Seeing is believing - .22 ammo [Re: Texas Dan] #7485448
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It is not a challenge of knowledge matter. You appear to lack understanding in how all this works, and are regurgitated things you've read elsewhere. Now, if you've had the hands-on experience with it, things would be different. However, with that experience you would not be saying what you are saying.

Yes, accuracy can be impacted by barrel length. As has been explained to you by more than one person, the long (especially thin) barrel can, and often is more difficut to tune a load for. It is called barrel harmonics, look it up. It is a sine wave, and they all do it.

I hand you a ten foot long pice of 1/2" rebar, and say bend it with your hands, and you can do it. I hand you a ten inch long piece of 1/2" rebar and say bend it with your hands, well it is a tiny percentage of the population that could do it.


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Re: Seeing is believing - .22 ammo [Re: Texas Dan] #7485465
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Originally Posted by garyrapp55
arguing with a fireman is like wrestling a pig in mud, eventually you realize the pig likes it
Judd, I noticed you bowed out early, you like to stay clean don't you?


You are exactly right.

And Judd couldn't take anymore...


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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
Originally Posted by garyrapp55
arguing with a fireman is like wrestling a pig in mud, eventually you realize the pig likes it
Judd, I noticed you bowed out early, you like to stay clean don't you?


You are exactly right.

And Judd couldn't take anymore...



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Re: Seeing is believing - .22 ammo [Re: Texas Dan] #7503967
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Re: Seeing is believing - .22 ammo [Re: Texas Dan] #7503988
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What was this thread about?

Anyway, my 220 Swift has a 20Ē barrel with a 14 twist. Unfortunately, it wonít quite stabilize a 60 gr Nosler Partition. Iím thinking that if I had a longer barrel, like the 26 inch one this 77V came with, I could up the velocity and maybe get that stumpy little bullet to stabilize in all conditions. I wouldnít get any more accuracy just because the barrel was longer, but I would get more speed and therefore more rpm. But I love the short barrel, so no Partitions for that gun.

Next 22LR ammo for me to try is CCI SV and Winchester 40 gr copper plated hyper velocity HP.

Re: Seeing is believing - .22 ammo [Re: Texas Dan] #7504023
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Well, congratulations on the derailment of a simple 22lr comparison thread yíall. You long range high precision shooters are very knowledgeable and everyone here knows that.

Weíre having a little low tech low skill discussion on popping off rimfires. Yíall can just enjoy how ignorant we are in here and yuk it up amongst yourselves.


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Now back to topic. I built this rifle. -

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It did not have the Sparrow until long after I proved this rifle up after building. It was astonishingly accurate with my premium ammo brands but broke up when I worked my way down to AutoMatch. It went from single hole at 50 to dinner plate sized spread. So I shot Wolf MT, my favorite and was very happy with my build. FF a year and I have my Sparrow. Installed it and went back to the range. Well, Wolf MT seemed to shoot even a little tighter, so I tried AutoMatch. It shot it through a single hole at 50!

Now, without starting another lecture series, I SPECULATE that the barrel length was effectively lengthened a bit by the Sparrow. BUT I DONíT CARE. Iím just happy with my results and would expect yíall to see the same results in the same circumstances.

And, it still wonít shoot any other bulk ammo so sometimes there is just really bad ammo.

So now Iíve got all this data and Iím really secure in my theory so I pull out the Win 52 and it starts to get grey again. That gun is happy to shoot most ammo but does shoot better with the good stuff. It will group well at 100.

So Iím back to it's all about the ammo in a rimfire. Except when itís about the rifle.


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Re: Seeing is believing - .22 ammo [Re: FiremanJG] #7512999
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Originally Posted by FiremanJG
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Stinger ammo is a unique one in the 22 world and most of the time one of the least accurate but sometimes that doesn't hold up either. The Stinger is a stretched 22LR rifle case that cn hold more powder with a 29gr hollowpoint bullet (Think 22 Short) so velocity can be higher with more powder and less bullet weight. THe bullet does not have nearly as long a bearing surface to contact the barrel as a standard 40gr LR bullet or 38gr LR Hollow point bullet.


The bullet is simply too fast to catch the rifling and performs somewhat like a mini-ball in a smooth bore musket.



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Re: Seeing is believing - .22 ammo [Re: Texas Dan] #7514224
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Lately, because I have a lot of it and my normal shooting distances are short, Iím using up my HP Rem Thunderbolts. They were my worst tested ammo for accuracy at 50 and 100 yards, but at 25 yards they do quite well and do a fine job on renegade coons and squirrels eating the bird seed. But, to try something else, I bought a couple hundred rounds of Winchester Hyper Velocity copper plated (indicated mv of 1435 FPS). More testing will follow, but at 25 yards they didnít shoot quite as well as the Thunderbolts. That was a surprise. I expected that theyíd shoot well in the Tikka. Iíll try them at 50 yards soon. Maybe they arenít catching the rifling (kidding, I swear).

I still havenít tried the CCI SV. The CCI Blazers are the best so far.

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Last year I purchased an old Remington .22 made in 1939. I test fired it into my .22 trap at about 10 feet away and noticed the projectile key-holed through the target. I looked down the barrel and found no rifling was visible. The barrel was so leaded up all the grooves were flush with the lands. I had to plug the barrel and fill it with the dip to get all the lead out. It shoots fine now.

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Originally Posted by ntxtrapper
Last year I purchased an old Remington .22 made in 1939. I test fired it into my .22 trap at about 10 feet away and noticed the projectile key-holed through the target. I looked down the barrel and found no rifling was visible. The barrel was so leaded up all the grooves were flush with the lands. I had to plug the barrel and fill it with the dip to get all the lead out. It shoots fine now.


Model 241? I have one and it's the longest barreled .22 I own. .22 short only.


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There is another factor that comes into effect when testing .22 ammo for accuracy. Bullet lube. Look at the different lube schemes mfg's use with there ammo. Some are copper washed with a bit of wax. some are bare lead with wax or a grease type. Check out the lube on quality match ammo. Usually it is a very slick oil type.
Now this lube all works well for the intended use the ammo was made for. When you shoot a .22's you season the barrel with the lube on the bullet. When you change to a different ammo. Bulk, match, brand or bullet type, the first 15 to 40 shots or so will be influence by the lube from the previous bullet type. Lets say your particular rifle will shoot your favorite bulk ammo consistently at 3/4" groups. So you get some match ammo, and shoot a couple of boxes and find this ammo groups 3/8". You think, man that's great, this little rifle really shoots. So, as the match ammo was really expensive, you only bought 2 boxes, so you go back to your favorite bulk. You notice, that your groups are way better than before, 1/2" or better. But as you shoot a bit, they open back up to where they have always been. The first bullets shooting the tighter than normal groups were benefitting from the match bullets lube still in your barrel. Shooting this lube out will take different numbers of shots, it won't be a fixed number, mine here are estimates from my personal experience. The reason I wrote this is to help alleviate the confusion one may have when testing .22 ammo accuracy. My procedure has been to thoroughly clean the barrel between ammo types, and fire about 25 rounds to re-season the barrel, then shoot for record.

The other issue is shooting at 100 yds. None of the high velocity ammo I have used does very well at 100 yds. due to the bullet that starts out around 1240 fps will slow down below the speed of sound around 75 yds or so. Passing through the transonic speed, the bullet destabilizes a bit, causing your groups at 100 to open up a bit. My 1/2" rifle at 50yds, turns into 3" to 4" rifle at 100. Still plenty good enough for a sillouette, but not good enough for bullseye. The bullet drops 5 1/2" between 50 and 100 also.

If you want bullseye at 100 yds, use subsonic ammo, and don't shoot with the wind blowing. Slow .22 bullets get blown all over the place.


The information above is a mixture of personal experience, and shooting science I have gotten off the internet (ha ha) so if your experience is different, that's more reason to get to the range and shoot some more.

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