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Deer hunting accuracy-your maximum range? #7511457 05/14/19 01:21 AM
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My first thread to ever start. Ive been a member for a good while but only recently started paying a lot of attention. The stuff im reading about long range shooting has been an eye opener to this old school deer hunter. I have a very specific question and im asking cause I want yalls answers and I don't want at all to stir up ethics questions about shooting animals at long range nor am I wanting to know what an expert can do from a bench.
SCENARIO: Assume you were sitting on the ground shooting off shooting sticks with your every day deer rifle and conditions were pretty ideal. Your target was a stationary pie plate.
QUESTION: At what distance would you be confident you could hit the target with the first shot at least 90% of the time?
Personally, I would feel very good about 200 yds. I would be a little nervous at 225 and 250. From 250 to 300 I could probably practice and pull that off but I ive never needed or wanted to practice at that range so for this question I stop at 250.


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That sounds reasonable. There are quite a few folks that probably never shoot past 100 yards to their feeder off the window sill of their boxblind.

Under normal field conditions, I try to keep it 300 yards or less. A lot less if I can get closer.


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I have a few LR Rifles and for some reason I always take them over anything else. I have lots of training in LR and feel comfortable shooting out to 800 hitting an 8” plate. But that is with lots of practice, training, and a few trips to the sand box with a Remington 700. That being said, as I am always prepared and every season I still practice shooting out to 800, my feeder is at 125, the Woodline for furthest shot is 150, and I have not taken any animal in the last 5 years past 180ish (Shooting Pigs on someone else’s place). So as I am ready every season for that shot if needed, I don’t think a .308 at 800 with Hornady Precision ammo would be effective enough that I would say “self, take the shot”! While I am fortunate to have an abundance of Deer that like that 125 range at the feeder, I will stick to that. If ever I have the chance to go on a LR hunt (spot and stalk) I would make sure the 300 WM was ready and I could shoot 600-800 if the wind and altitude was in my favor!


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200 yards but prefer to be closer to 100.


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With Iron sights, 100. Typical scenario with scoped, centerfire rifle, 300 max.


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with my .270 and a 3x9 redfield ( my old everyday deer rifle ) I would say about 200 yards.


with my .257 wby and a 4x16 vortex ( my new everyday deer rifle) about 300 yards.



The biggest thing that has changed imo is the advancement in optics. the increase in magnification has made iffy shots with "traditional" equipment much easier.

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Same as you guys and about 90% of every other hunter in the world. This taking shots at 700/800 yards is mostly a over exaggerated myth. (In the real hunting world)

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So this is a “shooting “ question, no problem. We have some shooters here that can really extend the range well beyond 200 yards REPEATEDLY. “Hunting “ well that would be a different story.

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400 yards but I would prefer 300 or less.


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Confident of a 90+% ACCURATE hit probability out to 400 yards with sticks and a comfortable, secure position.


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200-300 yds from sticks in a hunting situation is harder than it sounds without a lot of practice

For some perspective, at the THF Hunters Rifle Challenge match in March I’d dare say that 90% of the shooters did not hit 200-300 targets from sticks 90% of the time.

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Hard topic for me. Ive shot deer to about 160 yards and varmits and hogs to 225 all stepped off (before I had a range finder) They were all one shot clean kills though.

A lot of the uncertainty is not knowing how far something is. At a few of our blinds we had rough guesses at how far the max distance was but anything between was a WAG. I have been getting more into distance target shooting and bought a range finder last year, it makes a big difference to me to know how far away something is. With my typical hunting rifle at 200 yards im good to go just shoot and it will be fine. At 300 its a no go unless you can correct for the drop.


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"Your target was a stationary pie plate."

First, I guess it would matter as far as the size of the pie plate. Just shooting a non moving 12" plate with no pressure, wind or buck fever, supported just by shooting sticks, scoped using a 1 to 2 MOA rifle, shots completed 90 percent of the time, guessing 400 to 500 yards for me. Now if I was shooting, not just in the hope of trying to clip an organ, but to hit heart/lung area of a deer I would still like to keep the shot within 4 to 5 inch spread max. Actually would like to keep it within 2 to 3 inches which would be +/-1.5, ideal conditions which would be 200 to 300 yards for me. But then with all of the variables that could possibly happen consistency range goes out the window so I stay less than 200 yards in real hunting conditions.

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I started this thread last night and ive gotten a lot of good responses already so thank yall and I hope they keep coming. Someone posted its a "shooting" question and yes it is but in a hunting environment. I do not want to get into the ethics question of how far to shoot an animal, instead Im just curious about marksmanship ability in a hunting situation. Redsnake really helped me out with his comments about the THF Challenge which I didn't know about. I also think Redsnake has posted about LR shooting before so his comments about shooting in a hunting situation being difficult is what I was assuming and was hoping to confirm, or not. Paralax-i want to clarify if your 800 yds is under the sitting with sticks scenario. I know that yall LR experts can shoot like crazy from bench and prone and with special equipment but im curious what yall as well as everyday guys can do sitting off sticks. I also know that a whole lot of guys shoot a lot out of a blind at a feeder that's not far and don't really know about sticks and longer distance. If you don't know how you would do then just don't reply or maybe guess and say its a guess.


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Ok, GLC comments were very good. I knew my "pie plate" was vague but figured it was close enough since I thought I was already getting kinda picky on my scenario. I would actually prefer the pie plate was about 6" so yall can answer accordingly if you want. Sorry to change horses in midstream. Very good and detailed comments GLC, thanks.


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Originally Posted by unclebubba
With Iron sights, 100. Typical scenario with scoped, centerfire rifle, 300 max.


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Its a different game when the nerves kick in and you are about to take one of God's creatures. I feel comfortable to about 350 for 90% on a plate. My deer was 215 this year resting against the side of a cattle gate, and it took a second to calm down before shooting. It happens everytime. But once I can control my nerves and breathing on an animal, id say 250-275.

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Tough question for me to answer since I never use shooting sticks. My rifles all wear bipods and if I was going to launch one way out there, it would definitely be from the bipod. With little or no wind I would be very confident of hitting a pie plate (10 inch) sized target with a cold bore shot at 600 yards. In fact I did it with two different rifles, one a .260 and the other a .223, last Sunday afternoon. Now with all that being said, I'm not shooting at a deer that far out.


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I have worked with several shooters at the range working on "field" positions when hunting. 2 of them took animals beyond 250 yards, and one was a youth hunter at an elk at over 300 yards off shooting sticks in the mountains of NM. When you practice these shots at the range, it will prepare you for shooting in the field and greatly increase your ability to make the shot. Almost anyone can shoot prone or bench at the range and hit a 200 or 300 yard piece of steel. The challenge is applying that to field positions. Knowing your rifle and ammo, and practicing field shooting positions will greatly increase your hit probability. If you know how to build your "field" shooting position with good practice, I'd say 90% should be attainable.



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I'm sure all my rifles have a more effective range than my shooting skills, which is probably no further than 150 yards with a scope and 75 without it.


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With a little bit of practice and trigger control, 200-300 yards would be easy. The youth hunter I speak of, his main thing was the confidence in making that shot and knowing that he could before he pulled the trigger. Practice it and "know" you can make the shot!



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Originally Posted by freerange
I started this thread last night and ive gotten a lot of good responses already so thank yall and I hope they keep coming. Someone posted its a "shooting" question and yes it is but in a hunting environment. I do not want to get into the ethics question of how far to shoot an animal, instead Im just curious about marksmanship ability in a hunting situation. Redsnake really helped me out with his comments about the THF Challenge which I didn't know about. I also think Redsnake has posted about LR shooting before so his comments about shooting in a hunting situation being difficult is what I was assuming and was hoping to confirm, or not. Paralax-i want to clarify if your 800 yds is under the sitting with sticks scenario. I know that yall LR experts can shoot like crazy from bench and prone and with special equipment but im curious what yall as well as everyday guys can do sitting off sticks. I also know that a whole lot of guys shoot a lot out of a blind at a feeder that's not far and don't really know about sticks and longer distance. If you don't know how you would do then just don't reply or maybe guess and say its a guess.


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I started this thread last night and ive gotten a lot of good responses already so thank yall and I hope they keep coming. Someone posted its a "shooting" question and yes it is but in a hunting environment. I do not want to get into the ethics question of how far to shoot an animal, instead Im just curious about marksmanship ability in a hunting situation. Redsnake really helped me out with his comments about the THF Challenge which I didn't know about. I also think Redsnake has posted about LR shooting before so his comments about shooting in a hunting situation being difficult is what I was assuming and was hoping to confirm, or not. Paralax-i want to clarify if your 800 yds is under the sitting with sticks scenario. I know that yall LR experts can shoot like crazy from bench and prone and with special equipment but im curious what yall as well as everyday guys can do sitting off sticks. I also know that a whole lot of guys shoot a lot out of a blind at a feeder that's not far and don't really know about sticks and longer distance. If you don't know how you would do then just don't reply or maybe guess and say its a guess.


Sticks only, or sticks and my backpack?

Love to know both. Sticks only and then with backpack also. Ive used backpack or sticks but love to know how you use them combined. You, and all of yall, can give me whatever variation of field shooting position you want to but I really would like sticks only included.


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This "field shooting" topic is the very reason all of these things are situated at the zero line. Shoot prone to develop a load, zero the rifle/scope, and obtain DOPE. Then learn what to do with the body to make shots off all these things. There is actually redundancy in them. You just have to look at how tall is that thing? Well, at X height, I do these things with my body, to stabilize the rifle that is resting on the object. Want to practice using sticks, tripod, backpack? Please do, you are better for it when you are on a hunt. All of this becomes muscle memory, the same as prone or bench does.

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I started this thread last night and ive gotten a lot of good responses already so thank yall and I hope they keep coming. Someone posted its a "shooting" question and yes it is but in a hunting environment. I do not want to get into the ethics question of how far to shoot an animal, instead Im just curious about marksmanship ability in a hunting situation. Redsnake really helped me out with his comments about the THF Challenge which I didn't know about. I also think Redsnake has posted about LR shooting before so his comments about shooting in a hunting situation being difficult is what I was assuming and was hoping to confirm, or not. Paralax-i want to clarify if your 800 yds is under the sitting with sticks scenario. I know that yall LR experts can shoot like crazy from bench and prone and with special equipment but im curious what yall as well as everyday guys can do sitting off sticks. I also know that a whole lot of guys shoot a lot out of a blind at a feeder that's not far and don't really know about sticks and longer distance. If you don't know how you would do then just don't reply or maybe guess and say its a guess.


Sticks only, or sticks and my backpack?

Love to know both. Sticks only and then with backpack also. Ive used backpack or sticks but love to know how you use them combined. You, and all of yall, can give me whatever variation of field shooting position you want to but I really would like sticks only included.


Sticks only, I'm pretty comfortable with 400 yards, and that is seated. Let me add my backpack, and the distance is farther. My backpack would go in my lap, so that the elbow of my firing hand, as well as the elbow of my support hand can tripod onto the pack. Then the stability is much, much higher, and I can hold much more steady for a longer shot, which would mean the 12" target is smaller in the scope. But as always, it depends on wind. Wind reading is an art, and I am still trying to be an artist, even after watching many thousand of rounds go down range.

Sticks and kneeling, no pack, I probably would push a shot on a deer much more than 300 yards.


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