In your experience how much is too much on the face?

More than a few thou?

Line up the bore and skim the face is all Remington has to do from the factory. Not sure how anyone can screw that up

How is this not true? I stated "optimal Accuracy" not acceptable accuracy.
I have been shooting Hunter for Score benchrest for 15+yrs and have never seen a factory rifle finish at the top or near the top.

Larry

I bet you've seen a factory action with a great barrel, expertly maachined do it though.

They're not going to chuck it in a 4 jaw, and indicate it to center. That equals man hours and money loss.

When was the last time you saw anyone in the top ten shooting a factory rifle?
If they aren't shooting a factory rifle, then obviously they aren't going to win with one.
Top shooters do not buy off the shelf rifles... For good reason, sure.
Would they still be a top shooter if they were using factory rifles? Only if the entire competition was limited to factory rifles, but then, you likely wouldn't see a Savage or Remington in the top 10 unless they were allowed to make certain modifications and still qualify as "Factory".

Yes I have and as best I can remember they were all Remingtons.Not saying it couldnt be done with another action. I am just saying to get "optimal accuracy" out of a factory action some expert machine work and great components are needed.

Larry

You literally just made his point...

It's about preferences around here.
With certain folks Remington is the very bottom of the barrel, to be hated on & belittled at every opportunity, no matter what you'll not change their minds.

If you own and are pleased with Remingtons be happy & don't fret about someone else's opinion, what matters is what works best for you.

If you actually look, shoddy workmanship and poor QC examples can be found from any brand rifle, even custom rifles and supposed top shelf rifle component makers / manufacturers.
Not to mention 'semi custom'.

^^Right, Rustler

No!! Only Remington haters allowed!!

I like to get "FACED" on Saturdays

I can’t say I’ve seen anyone chuck an action in a 4-jaw to do squaring work. An action fixture in a chuck or mandrel between centers is the way. Just chucking a round action directly in the chuck and indicating the front true doesn’t make the rear of the action true/bolt hole parallel with the lathe spindle. Especially considering the OD of the action probably isn’t concentric with the bolt hole.

No, his point was comparing apples to oranges.

Talking about competitions and that no factory rifle has ever won.... Because he didn't mention that it is NOT a factory rifle competition. If it were, then factory rifles would win...

Apples to Apples is talking about a particular purpose-built competition rifle winning or not.

I don’t get a post like this? If you post Chevy beats Ford, you’re going to get a bunch of opinions-and none will agree! The good thing is this is called the TEXAS HUNTING FORUM and about 95% of the members shoot game under 200 yards with every gun known to man and they could care less about what anyone uses.

Yessir. I was trying to give a shorter reply. Of course, your way is correct.

So do you want OPTIMAL accuracy, OR a rifle off the shelf at Walmart? Those two things do not go hand in hand.

I’m sure you can take a bone stock F150 to the drag strip and race against top fuelers, but what outcome do you expect?

I figured you had been around long enough to realize that we have to cuss, discuss, and disgust every little topic sideways, slantways, forwards, backwards, and upside down.

And then go sit at our feeder 68 yards away

That ain't right. My feeder is exactly 68 yards from my stand.

I think you’re right.

“there is another brand, I have several of, that only get a barrel, nothing more. Untouched action, untouched bolt, untouched threads same trigger, and they shoot”

Fireman: what brand is that? Thanks

Probably Tikka. Honestly I don’t know how they can produce them at the price they sale at. Just having the bolt raceway wire EDM machined is a several hundred dollar proposition.

On the topic of Savage, I’m pretty convinced their overall good accuracy for an inexpensive rifle is due to the floating bolt head setup and the simplicity in machining of the barrel and barrel nut setup.

Or maybe it’s the goat sacrificing...

Agreed.

I've got a 6.5 Creedmoor, 7mm-08, 7mm-08 Ackley Improved, .223 Ackely Improved all on Tikka actions, same trigger and bolt. The actions were not touched, and they all shoot excellent.

My bud that does the machining fit a barrel to his action, ran it 200 rounds, and wanted a 6mm Creedmoor, so he took it off. He screwed it to my action, it head spaced perfectly and shot excellent. I've since shot out that barrel. But I thought it was pretty cool that a barrel was fit for Tikka serial number "X" and it also fit on Tikka serial number "Y".

That is cool.
Curious as to how you started with the tikka action for your builds?
What advantages do you experience with the AI over the sami spec 7mm-08? My goto hunting rifle is a 7mm-08 built on a 722 action krieger barrel, MPI kevlar stock( very early in the syn stock days) Action was machined by an old Army AMU smith. Always thought about rechambering to AI.

Larry