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Hunter Shoots Jogger Using Thermal Optic #7469455 03/26/19 03:43 PM
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I hunt with thermal. Thermal offers some challenges to target identification that are different and sometimes more difficult than hunting with a daylight scope. This hunter claimed he thought he was shooting at a deer. The target in question was a 75 year old jogger. The prosecutor says that from the video, it is obvious that the guy was shooting at a human. From the video shown, that he was shooting at a human is NOT obvious, but then again, it isn't obviously any animal. It certainly could be a human, or an animal with a quartered-toward approach. I could see where the hunter could not tell that was a human (from the short video shown) but there is no way in hell that he could identify it as a deer.

On top of that, the guy is shooting toward buildings that are the backdrop to the "deer" he was trying to kill. He was hunting with illegal ammo, illegally hunting at night, and with a scope for which he didn't have permission to use for hunting. Everything about this shot is WRONG WRONG WRONG.

Care must be taken when identifying targets with thermal. The scope in question appears to be a Pulsar Trail. Assuming it is on native magnification, it should be the XP50 model. It could be the XP38 zoomed from 1.2x to 1.6x, but I doubt it.

You can ethically hunt with thermal and properly identify targets with thermal. This target obviously was not properly identified and based on the video shared, cannot be identified as the target the shooter claimed he thought it was.

http://www.ladbible.com/news/weird-...-a-75-year-old-jogger-in-sweden-20190326

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Surely they will at least convict him on something like our equivalent of manslaugter.


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Just a matter of time before some idiot uses thermal on a shooting spree and the dems try to ban it because itís to militaristic

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Originally Posted by Nogalus Prairie
Surely they will at least convict him on something like our equivalent of manslaugter.

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Regardless of what they get him on they should get him. I won't pretend to know anything about Sweden's laws but I'll bet they have some equivalent of a felony and he has committed at least 1.
I wonder what ammo it was that was illegal, hopefully FMJ as this would have done the least amount of damage to Grandpa.

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Wow, just wow. As DNS mentioned, so many things wrong with this shot it isn't funny. A very careless, wreckless hunter.

I didn't get any video to feed so I only saw still photos from the video, but there is no way to ID anything in that phot other than "something" is out there. Video would give a much better picture of how the person was jogging/walking and would clearly show an upright two legged animal vs a bent over 4 legged animal.

This guy gives us a bad name in a bad way trout

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Lets just say that this really truly was mistaken identity. That hunter was breaking so many rules of common sense...not to mention some laws...that he ought to get the book thrown at him. I mean really....


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Yeah, lets just assume for a second it was really a deer he was shooting at....still illegal there to shoot deer at night. Not to mention the illegal ammo (? no details) and the shooting with those buildings behind, etc...stupid is as stupid does.

I have heard of people being hit by the ugly stick, this guy was hit with the stupid stick

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Only an idiot pulls the trigger without first being absolutely sure of his/her target.

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Looked like a Sasquatch maybe. Very human-like characteristics.


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Stop calling this guy a hunter. He's not one of us. He's a poacher.


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I see a murder IMO. No way that's not walking upright with a human gait.


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Stop calling this guy a hunter. He's not one of us. He's a poacher.


LOL, poaching is just illegal taking of game. You have trappers, hunters, fisherfolk that all do it. He is still a hunter, legal or not.

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I see a murder IMO.


Nobody died so there was no murder. By Swedish law, it would have to be planned in advance and the victim to have died for it to be murder. Without being able to prove planning, had Olle died, then by their law it could have been manslaughter or negligent homicide.

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Throw the dang book at this guy. Wayyyy too many red flags.


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He should lose his hunting and firearm ownership rights, clearly too f'in stupid to do either.

There was that time back home in La. someone shot a guy out of a tree stand thinking he was a bear and the bear was smoking a cigarette. We call them couyon's back home...


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At best this guy is a complete moron.


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At best this guy is a complete moron.



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Why would a jogger Be using a thermal while jogging

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Definitely upright, 2 legged.


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Those laws in Europe for hunting are significantly different than the ones here in the United States. You are allowed to hunt at night. The illegal ammunition may have been ammunition that he had intended to shoot foxes with but it was not considered powerful enough by the law to shoot a deer with. They also made the statement that he required permission to hunt foxes with a thermal imaging sight but they left out that you do not need permission to hunt deer with one.

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Stop calling this guy a hunter. He's not one of us. He's a poacher.


LOL, poaching is just illegal taking of game. You have trappers, hunters, fisherfolk that all do it. He is still a hunter, legal or not.

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I see a murder IMO.


Nobody died so there was no murder. By Swedish law, it would have to be planned in advance and the victim to have died for it to be murder. Without being able to prove planning, had Olle died, then by their law it could have been manslaughter or negligent homicide.



Shooting deer at night with a thermal in a place you don't have permission to be with illegal ammo... yeah, that qualifies as poaching. This guy is no hunter


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Yeah I definitely see a person there.


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Bottom line: you are responsible for where the bullet ends up. Be sure of your target and whatís behind it.

On top of that safety violation, the guy broke several laws. He is an idiot.


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