Just been informed that the wait time for registering a build SBR(Form 1) via E-File is around 1 month. Faster than Form 4 which I am currently waiting on of 6 to 12 months. Went to a dealer yesterday and they had a customer get their form back in 19 days.

I have a stripped lower that is sitting around, gonna test this time.

Damnit, you’re going to cost me money

I’ve been wanting to SBR my scorpion from what I can tell you can do your form online but you still have to mail in finger prints and photos through the mail. Figured it would be a lot slower than 19 days.

I think that if you have submitted fingerprints and photos within the last 12 months, you don't have to do it again, which could have been the case. Of course, I could be wrong. I haven't submitted a Form since the new rules took effect.

I’m not sure but don’t think that is the case. Think you have to do finger prints and photos on every form regardless of how long it’s been.

You are correct. I was thinking about this:

Q. If an application was approved within the preceding 24 months, are fingerprint cards and
photographs required to be submitted with a new application?
A. Yes. The 24-month exemption for providing supporting “documentation” refers only to the
documentation proving the existence of an entity, such as trusts or corporate paperwork. The Form
5320.23 with attached photograph and fingerprint cards are required for each person identified as a
responsible person for each submission in order to initiate the required background check. See
instruction 2 d. (4) and (5) on the Forms 1, 4, and 5.

When the rule was first being discussed, there were some who interpreted the change as you only had to submit once every 24 months (it wasn't clear).

All in all, I am still not a fan of this stupid rule change and am pretty much done buying until something changes.

Yea dumb rule for sure. It would be very easy to just keep them on file so for every new submission as long as nothing has changed or anyone added to the the trust it would already be there. It is redundant and just another obstacle they make us jump through to discourage us from purchasing them.

Especially around here there is no one that does finger prints local PDs won’t do it, I have to go to McKinney and make an appointment and it’s expenaive to. Add another $50-$80 for photos and prints on top the already $200 unconstitutional “tax” they make us pay.

This is how they take them away from us. Make it a hassle and tax it.

Plus they have enough personal info on you to watch EVERY step u take...hummmmmmm

not sure its worth it with the new admin coming in 2020

They have that information regardless if you buy NFA items or not.

At what age are you now required to have a Social Security Number?

I spent my first career in the USAF, with a rather high security clearance which had to be re-investigated every 5 years.

There simply isn't much THEY don't already know about me.

All four of my SBRs were e-filed Form 1s before 41F took effect. The shortest wait was about 9 weeks... I wonder if it's a reduction in volume or the efoms have dedicated reviewers. Hmmm

That background check they do when you buy any firearm- ATF can keep it for some 20 years, and it includes the information about the gun, including serial number. You think they have a guy whose job is to clear out files of background checks? They probably don't even care about it. I would bet they have stuff dating back further than 20 years or even 30. When we get the Brady Bill, 1986?

The national firearm registry database practically already exists. It came with the Brady Bill.

Unless it recently changed, you don't provide any detailed info on the firearm when calling in to NICS

Just identify if it is a Rifle, Handgun, or Other (receiver), you don't provide make, model or serial number.

Not exactly correct...

The FFL licensee keeps the ATF Form 4473 for 20 years, not the ATF. The ATF does not get the form unless they request it (trace request or if they come into the shop and make a copy).

The FBI NICS performs the background check...not the ATF.

Well I guess that's a technicality. Thanks for clearing that up. Doesn't change the fact that a database exists

"Supposedly" the FBI NICS is required to purge the database 24 hours after an approval or "proceed" transaction. Denied transactions are kept for up to 90 days (I think) so the person being denied has the opportunity to file an appeal.

NFA items are a completely different story since they retain a copy of the Form (fill in the number).

Correction...the FFL licensee is required to turn over all 4473 to the ATF if they cease business operations.

TXGUNNER308- this is what I was talking about right here. I actually read paperwork before I sign it, I remebered seeing the part that says it would be kept for 20 years.

According to this part on page 3, the seller must keep it for at least 20 years, and then may submit it to the ATF.

The database already exists.

I wonder how many people have never read this form all the way through? My guess is most of them.

"Trust the government. Just ask a Indian."

Yep that's why I corrected you...the seller (licensee) retains the form. I only have 10 years worth of ATF Form 4473's (24,871, in hard copy) so I don't know if the ATF will want year 2009 in year 2029 and so on. I wish I could send them to the ATF annually because it's a pain in the ASZ to store these.

There is no electronic storage option...yet, maybe "in the year 2025" (pun intended). 99.9999% of the buyers do not read the form past where they sign their name and date it on page 2.

I will agree the data exists (in hard copy) but would be surprised if there is a database created 20 years post disposition. The ATF has actually complained that they have storage and warehousing issues.

My point is/was, the information is available.

A digital database would worry me even more. Good luck tracking down gun owners by boxes of records in a warehouse.

They have to get the last 20+ years from sellers. Good.

But the law may and probably will change. What will you do when they tell you to turn over your files? Ask them why or assume their intentions are good?

I don't think there are many FFL's that would knowingly give records to the government to aid confiscation. But if they tell you you have to turn them in, and begin requiring it annually, you may never seen it coming.

Sorry buddy! Got excited haha.

You can register your fingerprints and photo at a FFL that utilizes the Silencer Shop kiosk.