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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7465308 03/22/19 05:44 PM
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Originally Posted by luv2brode
Bill presented to allow those with vehicle with cost over 60000 to not have front lp


Can you quote which bill states this information? HB 2149 & SB 805 have been filed so you will only need one license plate for vehicles plates issued after Sept. 1. There is no dollar amount mentioned in either bill.

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Interesting read here.

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https://www.thedrive.com/news/26367...front-license-plates-for-fancy-cars-only

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Texas Lawmaker Wants to Get Rid of Front License Plates—But Only for Fancy Cars
Representative Ken King's bill would add "luxury passenger cars" with price tags over $60,000 to the list of vehicles exempt from front plates.
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"All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others" might be a thinly veiled stab at the hypocrisy of Stalinism, but it also does a halfway decent job of describing Texas state representative Ken King's recently-introduced bill seeking to modify the Lone Star state's vehicular registration requirements. All passenger cars are equal, it argues, but when it comes to having to wear front license plates, some are more equal than others.
Texas House Bill 673, which was filed on January 7th, 2019 by Rep. King of Canada, Texas and recently brought to light via Reddit, seeks to amend the state's transportation code to the following: "A person commits an offense if the person operates on a public highway during a registration period a road tractor, a motorcycle, a trailer, a semitrailer, or a luxury passenger car that does not display a license plate [in front]." (Emphasis added by The Drive for effect.)
The bill goes on to add that, for the purposes of the law, "luxury passenger car" refers to "a passenger car that has a manufacturer’s suggested retail price of at least $60,000 for a baseline model."
Currently, Texas is one of 31 states that require license plates on both the front and rear of passenger vehicles. The state briefly had no penalty for driving without a front plate due to the accidental removal of a portion, but as of September 2013, the law imposes a fine of up to $200 on anyone caught without a plate on the front of their vehicle.

Now, if you're like your humble author, you might immediately ask, "What sort of Corvette do you think this Texas state representative drives?" But you, like me, would be jumping to conclusions based on unfair stereotypes. King, it seems, is merely concerned with Corvette owners.
"People who purchase cars like a Corvette, for instance, a Corvette doesn’t come with a front license plate bracket," King told Ken Herman of The Austin American-Statesman. "And, you know, when people buy those cars, they don’t particularly want to drill a hole in their brand new car’s bumper.”

It took far less time than you'd think to find a picture of Rep. King in a Corvette.
King told Herman that HB 673 was inspired by "one of my constituents and a supporter...(who) has a number of cars, and he frankly doesn’t want to have to put a front license plate on."
When Herman asked King the obvious question—"Why not exempt everybody? Why just rich people?"—the Texas legislator, whose website also describes him as president of an oil rig product supplier called Black Gold Pump and Supply, Inc, proceeded to demonstrate an astounding lack of understanding about how much new vehicles cost.
"It's not a rich people bill. Almost every car costs $60,000 anymore," King said, "particularly a sports car."
(The average U.S. new car transaction price in January 2019 was $37,149, according to Kelley Blue Book, while the average new sports car price was $34,996.)
According to a 2012 study conducted, slightly ironically, by the Texas A&M Transportation Institute, having both front and rear license plates is a boon to many governmental needs surrounding cars, including traffic enforcement, tolling, and policing. Among the examples cited: 23 percent of toll violations in Virginia had to be thrown out because a lack of a front plate made identifying the vehicle impossible; vehicle identification directly based on front plates was responsible for approximately $45,000 of parking revenue at Phoenix's Sky Harbor International Airport; and field studies found that license plate reading was 21 percent more effective with parked cars and approximately 49 percent more effective with moving vehicles in two-plate states.
We'll leave the opinions about whether cars should be saddled with front license plates to the comments section—that said but we would like to to conclude by pointing something out to Representative King. The Chevrolet Corvette you cite as the sort of car that should be from the blemish of a Lone Star plate? It has a starting MSRP of $55,900. Which means, by your own bill's definition, your 'Vette-driving vo


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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7465650 03/23/19 12:06 AM
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I would be all for being one plate state and no inspections
But the law is the law and there is not a vehicle sold in the us without the ability of mounting a ft plate
Break it if ya want at your own risk
Stopped a lady once for it she shard " I thought the other was a spare"
I believed her, she came across that bright


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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7465665 03/23/19 12:20 AM
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Every Law Enforcement Association in The State Of Texas fights the one license plate bills every legislative session.

It makes it easier (literally twice as fast) for peace officers to verify identity/wanted status of vehicle owners and the status of vehicles' license and registration.

I don't see that changing so some hoity toity does not have to drill holes in the front bumper of their bougie bougie sports car.

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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7465709 03/23/19 12:58 AM
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Originally Posted by luv2brode
I would be all for being one plate state and no inspections
But the law is the law and there is not a vehicle sold in the us without the ability of mounting a ft plate
Break it if ya want at your own risk
Stopped a lady once for it she shard " I thought the other was a spare"
I believed her, she came across that bright



My wife bought a QX70 today. Got it home. No front plate bracket/ holder???


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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7465728 03/23/19 01:07 AM
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So if my car is over 60k do I still have to pay the same rate for one plate? What if they charge me for two plates?


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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7465977 03/23/19 11:29 AM
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The better question is why are they wasting their limited time in session with silliness.

Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7466050 03/23/19 01:49 PM
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I guess I'm not special!


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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7466056 03/23/19 01:55 PM
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I checked my sons lexus IS 250 and it didn't have a front bracket. I look all over for where a mount might go but couldn't find it anywhere. They should just do away with the front plate all together.

Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7466058 03/23/19 01:59 PM
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Ridiculous bill.

Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: Lazyjack] #7466255 03/23/19 05:37 PM
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Originally Posted by Lazyjack
Originally Posted by luv2brode
I would be all for being one plate state and no inspections
But the law is the law and there is not a vehicle sold in the us without the ability of mounting a ft plate
Break it if ya want at your own risk
Stopped a lady once for it she shard " I thought the other was a spare"
I believed her, she came across that bright



My wife bought a QX70 today. Got it home. No front plate bracket/ holder???


Dealer has the bracket all ya have to do is ask there is no extra charge at time of purchase


i am cancelling my subscription, i am tired of your issues!
Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7466262 03/23/19 05:40 PM
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I drive my Super Duty with no front plate all the time, I drove my caddy with no front plate for 2 days and got warned by a Trooper lol.

I never had them on my sports cars, paid a few fines back in the day. I think it was $23 back then.


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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: luv2brode] #7466288 03/23/19 06:06 PM
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I’m more concerned and irritated that this dumbass Representative has nothing better to talk about or be concerned about than a [censored] front license plate on his vehicle. So, for everybody on this forum that doesn’t drive a model where the base price is $60,000 or higher, you are not worthy in this politicians eyes. He is an elitist and you are a peasant.

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Even as dumb as politicians are, I can't imagine this farce not getting laughed off the floor. Either get rid of the front LP requirement across the board or leave it as-is. There is no in between.


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Are we sure there is a 60k limit on that bill?

86R807 BEE-D

By: King of Hemphill H.B. No. 673



A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to the criminal offense of operating certain vehicles
without a license plate.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 504.943, Transportation Code, is amended
by amending Subsection (b) and adding Subsection (b-1) to read as
follows:
(b) A person commits an offense if the person operates on a
public highway during a registration period a road tractor, a
motorcycle, a trailer, a [or] semitrailer, or a luxury passenger
car that does not display a license plate that:
(1) has been assigned by the department for the
period; and
(2) complies with department rules regarding the
placement of license plates.
(b-1) In this section, "luxury passenger car" means a
passenger car that has a manufacturer's suggested retail price of
at least $60,000 for a baseline model.
SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
governed by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed,
and the former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For
purposes of this section, an offense was committed before the
effective date of this Act if any element of the offense occurred
before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2019.

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Re: New Texas bill for special people [Re: S.A. hunter] #7466445 03/23/19 09:07 PM
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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Are we sure there is a 60k limit on that bill?

86R807 BEE-D

By: King of Hemphill H.B. No. 673



A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to the criminal offense of operating certain vehicles
without a license plate.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 504.943, Transportation Code, is amended
by amending Subsection (b) and adding Subsection (b-1) to read as
follows:
(b) A person commits an offense if the person operates on a
public highway during a registration period a road tractor, a
motorcycle, a trailer, a [or] semitrailer, or a luxury passenger
car that does not display a license plate that:
(1) has been assigned by the department for the
period; and
(2) complies with department rules regarding the
placement of license plates.
(b-1) In this section, "luxury passenger car" means a
passenger car that has a manufacturer's suggested retail price of
at least $60,000 for a baseline model.

SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
governed by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed,
and the former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For
purposes of this section, an offense was committed before the
effective date of this Act if any element of the offense occurred
before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2019.


I may be misunderstanding your question, but it clearly states MSRP of at least $60K.


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Originally Posted by luv2brode
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I would be all for being one plate state and no inspections
But the law is the law and there is not a vehicle sold in the us without the ability of mounting a ft plate
Break it if ya want at your own risk
Stopped a lady once for it she shard " I thought the other was a spare"
I believed her, she came across that bright



My wife bought a QX70 today. Got it home. No front plate bracket/ holder???


Dealer has the bracket all ya have to do is ask there is no extra charge at time of purchase


Many cars don't come with mountings for front license plates because 19 states don't require them and auto manufacturers don't build different bumpers for different states. You have to drill a hole in the bumper to mount one.

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Originally Posted by Grizz
Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Are we sure there is a 60k limit on that bill?

86R807 BEE-D

By: King of Hemphill H.B. No. 673



A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to the criminal offense of operating certain vehicles
without a license plate.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 504.943, Transportation Code, is amended
by amending Subsection (b) and adding Subsection (b-1) to read as
follows:
(b) A person commits an offense if the person operates on a
public highway during a registration period a road tractor, a
motorcycle, a trailer, a [or] semitrailer, or a luxury passenger
car that does not display a license plate that:
(1) has been assigned by the department for the
period; and
(2) complies with department rules regarding the
placement of license plates.
(b-1) In this section, "luxury passenger car" means a
passenger car that has a manufacturer's suggested retail price of
at least $60,000 for a baseline model.

SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
governed by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed,
and the former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For
purposes of this section, an offense was committed before the
effective date of this Act if any element of the offense occurred
before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2019.


I may be misunderstanding your question, but it clearly states MSRP of at least $60K.

Yeah I added it after i asked the question.

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Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Originally Posted by Grizz
Originally Posted by S.A. hunter
Are we sure there is a 60k limit on that bill?

86R807 BEE-D

By: King of Hemphill H.B. No. 673



A BILL TO BE ENTITLED

AN ACT
relating to the criminal offense of operating certain vehicles
without a license plate.
BE IT ENACTED BY THE LEGISLATURE OF THE STATE OF TEXAS:
SECTION 1. Section 504.943, Transportation Code, is amended
by amending Subsection (b) and adding Subsection (b-1) to read as
follows:
(b) A person commits an offense if the person operates on a
public highway during a registration period a road tractor, a
motorcycle, a trailer, a [or] semitrailer, or a luxury passenger
car that does not display a license plate that:
(1) has been assigned by the department for the
period; and
(2) complies with department rules regarding the
placement of license plates.
(b-1) In this section, "luxury passenger car" means a
passenger car that has a manufacturer's suggested retail price of
at least $60,000 for a baseline model.

SECTION 2. The change in law made by this Act applies only
to an offense committed on or after the effective date of this Act.
An offense committed before the effective date of this Act is
governed by the law in effect on the date the offense was committed,
and the former law is continued in effect for that purpose. For
purposes of this section, an offense was committed before the
effective date of this Act if any element of the offense occurred
before that date.
SECTION 3. This Act takes effect September 1, 2019.


I may be misunderstanding your question, but it clearly states MSRP of at least $60K.

Yeah I added it after i asked the question.


Ahh, ok, that makes sense. It actually looks more insane in print than what I had pictured in my mind. crazy


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I believe the word is “base Line ”...$60,000 base model. That knocks out a lot of vehicles.

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I'm okay with the bill. It just needs to be all vehicles. Seems ridiculous for only " luxury cars".

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