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The Senate just passed the decade’s biggest public lands package. #7432688
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"The Senate on Tuesday passed the most sweeping conservation legislation in a decade, protecting millions of acres of land and hundreds of miles of wild rivers across the country and establishing four new national monuments honoring heroes including Civil War soldiers and a civil rights icon. "

"The bill would also be a boon for another constituency — hunters and anglers.

Bow hunters would be allowed to bring their weapons through national parks when trying to reach areas where it is legal to hunt. More important, it makes all federal lands open to hunting, fishing, and recreational shooting unless otherwise specified."

https://www.washingtonpost.com/clim...e-heres-whats-it/?utm_term=.677f46d4c7f9


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Thank you for posting that.

Here is the actual Bill.

https://www.congress.gov/116/bills/s47/BILLS-116s47pcs.pdf

Re: The Senate just passed the decade’s biggest public lands package. [Re: Sniper John] #7432728
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First Texas related thing I see is a transfer of the National Forest's 2,025 acre Lake Fannin area to Fannin County for economic development purposes. This is a public hunting area I have hunted before. Looks like it is going away for that purpose. I know some Texas lawmakers have pushed for this for a long time. Looks like they are going to get it by porking it into this bill.


SEC. 1010. LAKE FANNIN LAND CONVEYANCE.
6 (a) DEFINITIONS.—In this section:
7 (1) COUNTY.—The term ‘‘County’’ means
8 Fannin County, Texas.
9 (2) MAP.—The term ‘‘map’’ means the map en10 titled ‘‘Lake Fannin Conveyance’’ and dated Novem11 ber 21, 2013.
12 (3) NATIONAL FOREST SYSTEM LAND.—The
13 term ‘‘National Forest System land’’ means the ap14 proximately 2,025 acres of National Forest System
15 land generally depicted on the map.
16 (4) SECRETARY.—The term ‘‘Secretary’’ means
17 the Secretary of Agriculture, acting through the
18 Chief of the Forest Service.
19 (b) LAND CONVEYANCE.—
20 (1) IN GENERAL.—Subject to the terms and
21 conditions described in paragraph (2), if the County
22 submits to the Secretary an offer to acquire the Na23 tional Forest System land for the fair market value,
24 as determined by the appraisal under paragraph (3),
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1 the Secretary shall convey the National Forest Sys2 tem land to the County.
3 (2) TERMS AND CONDITIONS.—The conveyance
4 under paragraph (1) shall be—
5 (A) subject to valid existing rights;
6 (B) made by quitclaim deed; and
7 (C) subject to any other terms and condi8 tions as the Secretary considers appropriate to
9 protect the interests of the United States.
10 (3) APPRAISAL.—
11 (A) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 180
12 days after the date of enactment of this Act,
13 the Secretary shall complete an appraisal to de14 termine the fair market value of the National
15 Forest System land.
16 (B) STANDARDS.—The appraisal under
17 subparagraph (A) shall be conducted in accord18 ance with—
19 (i) the Uniform Appraisal Standards
20 for Federal Land Acquisitions; and
21 (ii) the Uniform Standards of Profes22 sional Appraisal Practice.
23 (4) MAP.—
24 (A) AVAILABILITY OF MAP.—The map
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1 spection in the appropriate office of the Forest
2 Service.
3 (B) CORRECTION OF ERRORS.—The Sec4 retary may correct minor errors in the map.
5 (5) CONSIDERATION.—As consideration for the
6 conveyance under paragraph (1), the County shall
7 pay to the Secretary an amount equal to the fair
8 market value of the National Forest System land, as
9 determined by the appraisal under paragraph (3).
10 (6) SURVEY.—The exact acreage and legal de11 scription of the National Forest System land to be
12 conveyed under paragraph (1) shall be determined
13 by a survey satisfactory to the Secretary and the
14 County.
15 (7) USE.—As a condition of the conveyance
16 under paragraph (1), the County shall agree to man17 age the land conveyed under that subsection for pub18 lic recreational purposes.
19 (8) COSTS OF CONVEYANCE.—As a condition on
20 the conveyance under paragraph (1), the County
21 shall pay to the Secretary all costs associated with
22 the conveyance, including the cost of—
23 (A) the appraisal under paragraph (3); and
24 (B) the survey under paragraph (6).
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Originally Posted by Sniper John
First Texas related thing I see is a transfer of the National Forest's 2,025 acre Lake Fannin area to Fannin County for economic development purposes. This is a public hunting area I have hunted before. Looks like it is going away for that purpose. I know some Texas lawmakers have pushed for this for a long time. Looks like they are going to get it by porking it into this bill.


That stinks. Somebody's gonna get rich on that deal.


"One cannot be a mediocre squirrel hunter, and at the same time a skillful deer hunter. The two techniques go together." Francis E. Sell
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Here is another Texas related one from the Bill. SEC. 1120. RED RIVER GRADIENT BOUNDARY SURVEY. Someone more familiar with it will have to explain the purpose and how it effects Texans and especially Texas Landowners along the river. I only vaguely remember some stuff with the General Land office trying to take or transfer land from Landowners on portions of the river. I wonder if this could be more pork thrown into the bill by a lawmaker to get his or her vote, but I really don't know. I do fish an hunt on the river and on public land on both sides of the river. I have no idea if this will change, expand, or exclude any of that.


14 SEC. 1120. RED RIVER GRADIENT BOUNDARY SURVEY.
15 (a) DEFINITIONS.—In this section:
16 (1) AFFECTED AREA.—
17 (A) IN GENERAL.—The term ‘‘affected
18 area’’ means land along the approximately 116-
19 mile stretch of the Red River, from its con20 fluence with the north fork of the Red River on
21 the west to the 98th meridian on the east.
22 (B) EXCLUSIONS.—The term ‘‘affected
23 area’’ does not include the portion of the Red
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1 ment entitled ‘‘Township 5 South, Range 14
2 West, of the Indian Meridian, Oklahoma, De3 pendent Resurvey and Survey’’ and dated Feb4 ruary 28, 2006.
5 (2) GRADIENT BOUNDARY SURVEY METHOD.—
6 The term ‘‘gradient boundary survey method’’
7 means the measurement technique used to locate the
8 South Bank boundary line in accordance with the
9 methodology established in Oklahoma v. Texas, 261
10 U.S. 340 (1923) (recognizing that the boundary line
11 along the Red River is subject to change due to ero12 sion and accretion).
13 (3) LANDOWNER.—The term ‘‘landowner’’
14 means any individual, group, association, corpora15 tion, federally recognized Indian tribe or member of
16 such an Indian tribe, or other private or govern17 mental legal entity that owns an interest in land in
18 the affected area.
19 (4) SECRETARY.—The term ‘‘Secretary’’ means
20 the Secretary, acting through the Director of the
21 Bureau of Land Management.
22 (5) SOUTH BANK.—The term ‘‘South Bank’’
23 means the water-washed and relatively permanent
24 elevation or acclivity (commonly known as a ‘‘cut
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1 bank’’) along the southerly or right side of the Red
2 River that—
3 (A) separates the bed of that river from
4 the adjacent upland, whether valley or hill; and
5 (B) usually serves, as specified in the fifth
6 paragraph of Oklahoma v. Texas, 261 U.S. 340
7 (1923)—
8 (i) to confine the waters within the
9 bed; and
10 (ii) to preserve the course of the river.
11 (6) SOUTH BANK BOUNDARY LINE.—The term
12 ‘‘South Bank boundary line’’ means th
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1 (A) IN GENERAL.—The Secretary shall
2 commission a survey to identify the South Bank
3 boundary line in the affected area.
4 (B) REQUIREMENTS.—The survey shall—
5 (i) adhere to the gradient boundary
6 survey method;
7 (ii) span the length of the affected
8 area;
9 (iii) be conducted by 1 or more inde10 pendent third-party surveyors that are—
11 (I) licensed and qualified to con12 duct official gradient boundary sur13 veys; and
14 (II) selected by the Secretary, in
15 consultation with—
16 (aa) the Texas General
17 Land Office;
18 (bb) the Oklahoma Commis19 sioners of the Land Office, in
20 consultation with the attorney
21 general of the State of Okla22 homa; and
23 (cc) each affected federally
24 recognized Indian Tribe; and
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1 (iv) subject to the availability of ap2 propriations, be completed not later than 2
3 years after the date of enactment of this
4 Act.
5 (2) APPROVAL OF THE BOUNDARY SURVEY.—
6 (A) IN GENERAL.—Not later than 60 days
7 after the date on which the survey or a portion
8 of the survey under paragraph (1)(A) is com9 pleted, the Secretary shall submit the survey for
10 approval to—
11 (i) the Texas General Land Office;
12 (ii) the Oklahoma Commissioners of
13 the Land Office, in consultation with the
14 attorney general of the State of Oklahoma;
15 and
16 (iii) each affected federally recognized
17 Indian Tribe.
18 (B) TIMING OF APPROVAL.—Not later
19 than 60 days after the date on which each of
20 the Texas General Land Office, the Oklahoma
21 Commissioners of the Land Office, in consulta22 tion with the attorney general of the State of
23 Oklahoma, and each affected federally recog24 nized Indian Tribe notify the Secretary of the
25 approval of the boundary survey or a portion of
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1 the survey by the applicable office or federally
2 recognized Indian Tribe, the Secretary shall de3 termine whether to approve the survey or por4 tion of the survey, subject to subparagraph (D).
5 (C) SUBMISSION OF PORTIONS OF SURVEY
6 FOR APPROVAL.—As portions of the survey are
7 completed, the Secretary may submit the com8 pleted portions of the survey for approval under
9 subparagraph (A).
10 (D) WRITTEN APPROVAL.—The Secretary
11 shall only approve the survey, or a portion of
12 the survey, that has the written approval of
13 each of—
14 (i) the Texas General Land Office;
15 (ii) the Oklahoma Commissioners of
16 the Land Office, in consultation with the
17 attorney general of the State of Oklahoma;
18 and
19 (iii) each affected federally recognized
20 Indian Tribe.
21 (c) SURVEY OF INDIVIDUAL PARCELS.—Surveys of
22 individual parcels in the affected area shall be conducted
23 in accordance with the boundary survey approved under
24 subsection (b)(2).
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1 (d) NOTICE AND AVAILABILITY OF SURVEY.—Not
2 later than 60 days after the date on which the boundary
3 survey is approved under subsection (b)(2), the Secretary
4 shall—
5 (1) publish notice of the approval of the survey
6 in—
7 (A) the Federal Register; and
8 (B) 1 or more local newspapers; and
9 (2) on request, furnish to any landowner a copy
10 of—
11 (A) the survey; and
12 (B) any field notes relating to—
13 (i) the individual parcel of the land14 owner; or
15 (ii) any individual parcel adjacent to
16 the individual parcel of the landowner.
17 (e) EFFECT OF SECTION.—Nothing in this section—
18 (1) modifies any interest of the State of Okla19 homa or Texas, or the sovereignty, property, or trust
20 rights of any federally recognized Indian Tribe, re21 lating to land located north of the South Bank
22 boundary line, as established by the survey;
23 (2) modifies any land patented under the Act of
24 December 22, 1928 (45 Stat. 1069, chapter 47; 43
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1 U.S.C. 1068) (commonly known as the ‘‘Color of
2 Title Act’’), before the date of enactment of this Act;
3 (3) modifies or supersedes the Red River
4 Boundary Compact enacted by the States of Okla5 homa and Texas and consented to by Congress pur6 suant to Public Law 106–288 (114 Stat. 919);
7 (4) creates or reinstates any Indian reservation
8 or any portion of such a reservation;
9 (5) modifies any interest or any property or
10 trust rights of any individual Indian allottee; or
11 (6) alters any valid right of the State of Okla12 homa or the Kiowa, Comanche, or Apache Indian
13 tribes to the mineral interest trust fund established
14 under the Act of June 12, 1926 (44 Stat. 740, chap15 ter 572).
16 (f) AUTHORIZATION OF APPROPRIATIONS.—There is
17 authorized to be appropriated to the Secretary to carry
18 out this section $1,000,000.

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A third and forth one related to Texas. 17 SEC. 2005. SPECIAL RESOURCE STUDY OF GEORGE W. BUSH CHILDHOOD HOME.

Located in Midland and looking to add it as a unit of the National Park System. Not hunting related.

And SEC. 2504. PIKE NATIONAL HISTORIC TRAIL STUDY.

Includes part of Texas and is just another historic route of travel. Not hunting related.

I see nothing else that involves Texas directly.

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Here is the reason for the gradient boundary survey.

https://www.timesrecordnews.com/sto...ested-resolving-border-issues/540613002/

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I too have hunted that little chunk up in fannin county. Not surprised at all that transfer in Texas. It's not exactly the Pinnacle of public lands.

On a good note I heard a rumor the other day that north Texas municipal water district will be deeding the river by ranch over to the forest service once they are done with the mitigation project. I do know that nt owns the riverby which is 10k acres. I do not know the validity of them transferring ownership. Be dang cool if they did though. 10k acres along the red river....

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President Donald Trump held a private signing ceremony in the White House for a major public lands bill the day after his budget proposal removed nearly all the money from its most popular provision, the Land and Water Conservation Fund.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...urce=twitter.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC

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Originally Posted by Palehorse
President Donald Trump held a private signing ceremony in the White House for a major public lands bill the day after his budget proposal removed nearly all the money from its most popular provision, the Land and Water Conservation Fund.

https://billingsgazette.com/news/st...urce=twitter.com&utm_campaign=LEEDCC



Whats the point of posting a link that is locked behind a paywall??? Also got blasted with about 5 pop ups.

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Opened up just fine for me. Just tried it again. Try turning on your pop-up blocker.


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