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Seems I bought a trip to Africa at the DSC Auction this last weekend.

Iíve never been, so I am looking for any input regarding travel logistics. I have to get from DFW to Johannesburg. Specific airlines you prefer? Flights? Best options for business or first class on these flights? Are there travel agents you would recommend?

Iím all ears, and greatly appreciate any input.



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If you find a business or first class route that isn't insanely expensive, please post it here.

That out of the way, where are you going and are you taking your own rifle or using a loaner?


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I went 2 years ago. We flew to London and then to Johannesburg. Damn, that's a lot of seat time. A friend goes from Florida. He's tried it both ways and said the trip across the Atlantic is a little more expensive but well worth it.


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I use Steve Turner, Travel With Guns out of San Antonio. He offers first rate service including air fares, overnight in J'burg if necessary, meet and greet services including gun premits, etc. He does great work.

I always wound up using Delta through Atlanta, then non stop to J'burg. I'ts a long flight, but that's the shortest route. First class is ridiculously expensive, so I always chose economy comfort seats on the bulkhead. It offers the most legroom by far for a modest fee.

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Originally Posted by GOLDSTEIN
Seems I bought a trip to Africa at the ...


roflmao Boy, I've been there!

Ditto for Steve Turner. If I ever go again, I'll overnight in Europe and rest a day. 'Can't do the ATL- Joeburg coach flight anymore.


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Originally Posted by syncerus
If you find a business or first class route that isn't insanely expensive, please post it here.

That out of the way, where are you going and are you taking your own rifle or using a loaner?


Insanely expensive is relative. I will pay more if it means I donít have to sit in a cattle car.

To be honest, Iím not 100% where Iím going yet. I just know that I won the auction. Itís somewhere in northern South Africa. Iím planning to take my own rifle as well as my bow.



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Originally Posted by Creekrunner
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Seems I bought a trip to Africa at the ...


roflmao Boy, I've been there!

Ditto for Steve Turner. If I ever go again, I'll overnight in Europe and rest a day. 'Can't do the ATL- Joeburg coach flight anymore.


roflmao funny how things work out sometimes.

Several have mentioned TWG to me. I will be giving Steve a call, thanks.



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I havenít been in years. 2003 was the last time. I need to make another trip before I get to old. I flew Houston to Atlanta, then Joberg. Dang long flight. We stopped on some island middle of knowhere and refueled. I think it was 24-26 hr flight. I knocked myself out with Tylenol PM. I slept 14 hr, bit not straight. Sure made the trip better.


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Donít forget to shave your head so they donít scalp you!!!!

Iím sure glad I didnít go with you now roflmao


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Another +1 for Steve Turner, and I've also had great luck with Gracey travel..

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I went in 2004. Had to go coach, as it was with a business trip. We flew through New York. I don't remember why. You will have to take your rifle to Customs and get a form to take it with you. No trouble for me. We also hunted in northern SA. Great experience.

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Beware travel agents. My buddy and I booked a flight to SA once and due to a misunderstanding were not able to board. The airline said they could've rebooked for a later date if we'd bought the tickets from them but that since we bought through an agent we had to get them to rebook. Well the travel agent didn't give two flips and we each got a $1500 tour of the DFW Airport lobby. mad If you go with a travel agent I'd make sure you know several people who have had good experiences with him/her first.

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We fly American from DFW to London or Amsterdam, then British Airways to Jo'Berg. We usually spend a day in London or Amsterdam to help break up the seat time. Our family travels a lot as it is, so us having airline miles helps a ton with the expense of flying business class. If you have some time before your trip you may want to consider getting a credit card that offers a miles program (I use Citi AAdvantage card) Pay for EVERYTHING with that miles card and pay the card off at the end of each month, that's a good way to stack some miles if you dont fly normally. We had a two issues traveling with firearms this last time coming into London and then leaving Jo'Berg but nothing too major

Congrats on your purchase and enjoy Africa!

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Originally Posted by Red Pill
I went in 2004. Had to go coach, as it was with a business trip. We flew through New York. I don't remember why. You will have to take your rifle to Customs and get a form to take it with you. No trouble for me. We also hunted in northern SA. Great experience.


The form is CBP From 4457. Google it. It's for re-entry to prove the items are yours. You can fill out a second one for binos, cameras, etc. Anything expensive with a serial number.

The form is also handy when the stellar personnel at any of your African airports ask for your rifle "license". Don't look confused. Don't tell them you don't need or have one. Just confidently hand them this U.S. Customs stamped form. They love forms with stamps on them and you will soon be on your way to your hunt. up roflmao


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The officials in SA were extremely professional and friendly. When we returned, the US official didn't even look at the form. He inspected the soles of our shoes. Obviously, we didn't wear the same shoes while hunting.

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Five trips over, and have never had a problem using a good agent. Definitely recommend Steve Turner and TWG. I also used them to send my wife on three trips to Italy, Paris, Prague. The trip over will be approx. 16-17 hours, and we prefer the non-stop Delta flights out of Atlanta.You will need a current 4457 from US Customs for whichever rifle you take. I would also get one for expensive binoculars, cameras, etc. It is only to show your ownership and allows you not to pay customs on your return, but Africans tend to think they are gun registration forms, and will want to see it. As far as the length of flights, some people take Tylenol PM, some all the way up to sleep aids and Ambient. Drink PLENTY of water, get up and walk occasionally, and stay away from too much alcohol. You will feel jet lag the following day. Good luck and have a fabulous time.

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I spoke with TWG. We will use them to make sure all our "I"s get crossed and "T"s get dotted.

From my conversation thus far, we are looking at Qatar business class. It is a reasonable difference in fare compared to the business class of the other options. Main difference is it will take a little longer to get there.



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So you taking pops or household CEO?


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Dad will be joining me for this one.



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Dad will be joining me for this one.


The ol manís going to Africa. This should be interesting
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Steve at TWG is the way to go.
Got ticket prices today for my July trip. Dfw to Joberg
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Coach $2500

I have done my last 3 trips on Emirates and it is way better than any other way.
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Originally Posted by GOLDSTEIN
Seems I bought a trip to Africa at the DSC Auction this last weekend.

Iíve never been, so I am looking for any input regarding travel logistics. I have to get from DFW to Johannesburg. Specific airlines you prefer? Flights? Best options for business or first class on these flights? Are there travel agents you would recommend?

Iím all ears, and greatly appreciate any input.



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Originally Posted by GOLDSTEIN
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To be honest, Iím not 100% where Iím going yet. I just know that I won the auction. Itís somewhere in northern South Africa. Iím planning to take my own rifle as well as my bow.


Please be sure to find out 100% which Outfitter you going with and do background checks and reference calls on them. Wouldn't want the cost of flights to be a waste.


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I've only been to Africa twice, but I've also been to New Zealand, Quebec and 3 times to Alaska, and what I've learned is that if I can leave my rifle behind and borrow one when I get there, it makes the entire trip a lot easier and more fun.

I don't want to get a hotel when I land and wait until the next day to be picked up by my outfitter, so I plan my flight there according to when I can land at the pick up airport at the right time.

I like to see new places and combine hunting trips with sight seeing. The direct flights to South Africa can be extremely expensive. Last time we went, we had a choice between 12 hours in London or 12 hours in Germany. My wife wanted to see London, so when we landed, we took the train into the city, watched the changing of the guard, had a fantastic lunch in a pub, walked along the Thames and took tons of pictures of the sites.

The time before that we stopped in Paris and spent the day exploring the city and seeing all the major landmarks. I've found that I can see most everything that I want to see in 6 to 8 hours and still have plenty of time to get back to the airport.

After our last hunt, we spent a day at the beach, went to Aldo Wildlife Park for a few days and really enjoyed seeing some of the country. Not having to deal with rifles was huge.

When looking at flights, I try to check all of the major online websites. I play with different times and dates to leave and come back, which can make a big difference in the cost of a ticket. For me, the planning and working out all the details is a big part of the fun in going on big trips.

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