Wife and I are at the house Saturday morning putting groceries up when my dogs start barking, I look out and see a young girl (9 years old) walking down the street with a little dog running back and forth into my yard and across the street, which is why my dogs are barking, she goes on and I dont really think much of it but a few minutes go by and my dogs are raising cain again, I look out and see same girl coming back by (our street is a loop) again, I go about my business, next thing I know, there is a knock at the door. It's the little girl, she asks me if I can take her to prarieville ??? Of course I tell her I cant do that and ask what is going on, she says I just need someone to get me to prairieville My wife and I come out on porch and start asking her questions, shes crying and hysterical saying she is scared of her dad and he is mean to her and spanks her all the time for nothing, yells and cusses at her and she wants to run away. I ask where are her parents, she says they went to look at houses because they are moving by the end of the month. I ask well who is supposed to be watching you? She says they told her the neighbors next door were watching her and left her outside to finish her yard work and told her not to leave the yard. My wife asks her why her face is scratched up and she says because her dad made her cut and haul tree limbs / shrub limbs. So we try calling the grandmother she's wanting us to take her to and can;t find any info on her so while all this is happening, my mom lives next door and was watching the whole thing, I motioned for her to call the cops. After about 20 - 30 minutes, here comes her dad and stepmom from the other direction pulling into their driveway, (across street about 4 houses down and around a slight curve) we hollered to them but they didn't pay any attention to us (they've only been there a few months - we haven't met) but after noticing she was gone they came looking for her, of course dad is pissed and hollering for her, asking her what are you doing? I tell him what happened and that she was safe and that until the cops get there to sort it out, he needs to just stay where he is. She is scared and screaming / crying wanting to get away, he's hollering do you know what this is going to cause? do you know how much this is going to cost? And then says I'm taking my daughter now and starts up the step of my porch, I'm half in my front door and half out with my left hand on my Taurus Judge loaded with 45 lc Hornady Critical defense. My wife is screaming at him to back down, as am I, he came 3 of the 4 steps up but stopped when I said man don't make me do it! and backed down, I said man you have to understand, I don't know you, and a 9 year old girl came to my porch asking me for help from her abusive dad and Stepmom with scratces on her face, I am going to protect her until the cops get here, if I have to kill you to do that, than so be it. Thank god the cops got there about then and calmed everything down. Turns out her grandmother was supposed to be watching her and the girl was supposed to stay in the yard but she slipped off, I call B.S on that because they pulled up at the same time as the parents. But no way to prove it. Cops couldn't do anything. Couple of other neighbors hearing all the commotion, got really pizzed that they weren't doing anything and said they were calling CPS. Who knows what will come of that.

I figure I haven't seen the last of neck tat dad.

yeah, I bet you run across him again too

Be careful

Did you mention the neck tat anywhere in the story? What is the tat?

JR

Unfortunately there's no good ending to this mess. Poor child. CPS should get involved.

Does not sound like a good start to your neighborly relationship. From your story, you did everything that a good man would do. You deserve some prayers that this all works out best for your family and the little girl.

Couldn't tell for sure. Was half covered with his sweatshirt.

Prarieville or Prarieview?

I don't remember, I wasn't taking her anywhere so it didn't matter.

Part of me wishes he'd have taken that last step but I would never wish that on you, CCB. Hope and pray that this all calms down, that nothing else happens with you, and that that little girl is somehow protected.

Watch your 6 as the squid air guys like to say

Lets just say I'm thankful I bought that 5 camera blink security cameras last summer. Ordering a couple more cameras now.

Man I don't know, Put yourself on the other end of it and your opinion might be totally different. Kids lie all the time. Personally I see a kid walking up and down the street that comes to a strangers house and asks them to take them somewhere and I don't believe a word that comes out of their mouth without verification. I love my son to no end, but after he gets in trouble he says im mean and I don't love him etc. till he cools off too.

I know you think your were in the right, and you might of been, but I know i'd be wicked pissed if you had my kid and were telling me no the cops were coming. I wouldn't get shot for a lot of things, but I think you'd have a fun fight in court when you shoot a father trying to get his 9 year old daughter you had.

That is a wild story.

No way in hell he was getting to her before the cops got there. He shouldn't have left his 9 year old daughter alone or with someone that wasn't capable of watching her, whatever the case was, she walked twice around our loop before coming to my house. There was a guy that got mauled by two pitbulls at the end of my street a year ago. Adult male spent over 30 days in hospital. The people that still live there are drug dealing trash, what if she went to there house?

Whats sad is he was more worried about getting in trouble or that it was going to cost him money, not that she was ok.

Different strokes for different folks I guess and different places and different times. My parents left us along at that age. My grandma did too.

A good friend of mines child had an accident. It was investigated and found to be an accident and CPS was still a major PITA to them. It was like 6 months that they had to have someone other than his wife or himself present at all times with the kid and their other child had to stay with relatives.

That’s a tough situation. I think you did the right thing, based on what you told us, but only you know. I hope it doesn’t result in that guy trying to retaliate. And I also hope he isn’t abusing her and the kid made it up, if that makes sense.

^what he said; kids nowadays can be real a-holes

Right, so I should have said here you go, we found her, and walked away? I hope you are never put in my position.

I don't think that's the point. I think the point is kids tell all kinds of lies and moving that quickly to deadly force probably would not be looked at favorably in a court of law. Calling the cops and staying involved was the right move

You did the right thing by putting the kid safety first. Glad you didn’t have to kill daddy in front of her.

If I hadn't stopped him he would have grabbed her and been gone, he was inches from my wife and forcefully coming at her. The girl was behind my wife clinging to her. I would have had to deal with it but my mind was made up, the little girl was going nowhere till the cops got there. period.

Heck yeah I hope im never put in that position either.

I never said you did the wrong thing, just saying look at it from the other side. I don't know you but if I remember right from on here you don't have kids... what if some dude had your dog on his porch and refused to give it up to you at gun point till the cops/animal control got there? You'd be hot as could be 180 degrees from where you are.

You did the right thing. Seems like neck tat Dad could have been a little more diplomatic about the whole deal instead of almost getting shot. Doesn't sound like that bright of a guy. Also the fact that he knew about and was concerned more about the cost and hassle instead of his daughter says a lot. Prob years of backstory there you don't want to know about. The quicker they move the better.

And I told him that I completely understand his position but he had to understand mine. All I know is a nine year old girl walked up on my porch asking for help from her abusive parents. The guy is a dead beat living with his father inlaw, no job, no drivers license, dope head.

If the same thing happened tomorrow I would do the exact same thing I did Saturday.

Sounds like you did good. Hope nothing bad comes of it for you. I don't know why I just have to look at things from every direction I can. When I read your initial post, first thing that came into my mind from a fathers point of view was I don't know what I would do if someone was holding my kid from me.

Yep, and I get it. It was a tough deal. I told my wife as he was walking down, get ready, he aint gonna like this. I even walked out to the street while he was waiting and everything was calmed down and tried to say lets not hold grudges and look at each others point of view and offered to shake his hand but he was having none of it. Broke my heart, I was going to invite him to poker night. NOT!

Bad situation. My only thought on what could be different is not posting it on social media for any and everyone to put their spin on should things get bad.
Hope it works out for the girl and for you and your's.

Exactly

Scary situation ... sounds like you did the best you could in that situation.

I travel for work and stay in lots of hotels. 5 or 6 years ago I was asleep in a hotel room outside of Chicago and started hearing a child crying at about 5 am. It went on for several minutes as I slowly woke up and thought it sounded like it was coming from the hallway outside my room. I got up, pulled on some shorts and opened the door to find a toddler sitting outside my door. Kid was too small to tell me anything, so I propped the door open while I went into room and called the front desk. Told the manager on duty to come up, but never brought the kid into the room. Just waited until manager got there and told me she would find the parents.

Checked on things when I got down for breakfast a couple of hours later. The infant had left the room while the parents were asleep and when the door shut behind him, he couldn't get back in, couldn't wake them, and then got lost in the corridor. Could be that they were just heavy sleepers, but I can tell you, there is no way one of my kids at that age could have gotten out of a hotel room without me knowing.

Why didn’t you just sic that pack of Brittany’s on him?

You did good CCB. Protecting the little girl until the cops showed up and calmed things down was the right spur of the moment decision.

CC what would have been worse, in a couple days when you read some where, where they find her beaten dead body in a ditch you could tell your self," damn she was telling the truth "

You did right!!!

The world is sliding into the proberbial dung heap in large part due to the apathy of good men to stand for something. You did right.

You did the right thing.....watch your six

You were stuck in a tough situation and I applaud your decision. I think a lot of people would of let the young lady go back to the adult. No one knows if the outcry is true or false. Glad cooler heads prevailed hope the story has a good ending but I doubt it will.

So without knowing the full story and taking a 9 year olds word for it, you would have killed the girls dad in front of her? I know a couple of people whose parents were murdered in front of them, I know quite a few more, as well as myself who came from an abusive home. I can tell you first hand the ones that witnessed their parent die are WAY more F'ed up then us with abusive parents.

Always one with the redazzz. Good job CC

Believe it was the hollering and raising hell and making a move to get up in CCB's family space that almost got the guy shot, not the girls story.

You did fine. I doubt he's stupid enough to bother with seeking revenge. His life is probably so messed up there's 15 other situations like this involving him. Very sorry you had to go through this.

Years ago we had one teenage girl come to our backdoor, saying she was scared of her dad. We got her inside, but she left on her own before we could come up with a plan to deal with it. It really throws you off-guard.

I wasnt letting him take her till the cops got there. Neither was my wife. He would have had to go through my wife on my front porch to get to the girl. If he would have touched my wife I would have done what I had to do.

It's easy for someone to say what they would've done looking at a computer screen, but you just don't know until you're in a situation like that. The well being of a 9 year old CHILD along with the safety of your own family are a lot to deal with.

You handled it well IMO

I’m betting you open carry....

You're not doing yourself any favors on this thread.

In regards to what?

Only came here for the neck tat

What a tough situation to be in. You did good CC

Dont even have LTC.

Do you have anymore uneducated comments?

Uneducated comment? Nah, just opinions.....

I have been in a similar situation only it was an adult woman with a history and evidence of abuse, not an easy decision to intervene. In the midst of it all I think you had the best intentions, I just don't agree with your handling of it, obviously I am the minority.
Over dinner tonight was talking with a friend who was a social worker for Arlington then went to work for the Army working with the soldiers and was a survivor of the Ft Hood shooting. She agrees with what I had said, kids will say and fabricate all kinds of stories when mad at a family member. Had one girl who was a step daughter who fabricated an elaborate story of physical and sexual abuse of her moms new husband because she didn't like him. He lost his job, spent thousands on lawyers only to have the girl admit it in front of the judge she lied. That was all I was saying, to automatically take this little girls word for it to the point of willing to murder her father in front of her was a little much. Abusive or not that is her dad she watched someone kill, you don't get over that [censored]. Now if the kid came running from the house bloody, half naked, with obvious signs of abuse draw down, 100000%. Without evidence and obvious signs of abuse this situation ends up being a social issue, not criminal, exact reason the police did nothing and referred you to call CPS.

You just dont seem to get it. The guy would not have been shot because of what the girl told me, he would have been shot for over stepping his boundaries on my property. If he dont like it, too bad. Keep up with your 9 year old girl. I can guarantee I would handle it the same way. If you would have let the guy grab or assault your wife on your porch and watch someone you dont know from Adam, walk away with a little girl that's begging you for help and you do nothing, well that's your decision.

Yup....had nothing to do with what she said....everything to do with HIS behavior.....I’d do the same......

You handled that well Hope CPS gets involved for you know there is something terribly wrong with her parents!

Keep anyones child from them with a gun and see how many act cool headed and rationally.

You need to move

He never saw a gun. I was half in & half out with gun in left hand inside the house. Who knows if I would have shot him or not, thankfully he was smart enough not to try me.

Like I told him, he can be as pizzed as he wants but all I have to go by, is a 9 year old walked up and knocked on my door asking for help, she is going to be protected until the cops get there. All I'm asking is that you stand back and chill till they get here.

Yes, not trying to tell another man what to do with his family, but, if finances allow, I'd get the hell outa there. A good man such as yourself deserves a quiet "castle".

It's not as bad as it sounds. We have bad places down the street but our actual street is nice and all the neighbors are great and watch out for each other. As you get down the street (away from waterfront) the lots are cheaper so there is lower income people living there. I love my house and love living on the water, slowly but surely Henderson County Sheriffs dept. is getting it cleaned up. I'm not going to let trash run me out of my home.

I has a friend have a women come beating on his door running from her estranged husband. He kept her till police came. The guy was out in prison for something related to the incident and when he got out he killed her. Some crazy mofos in this world. I've seen my fair share.

You did the right thing.

Chopped,

Did you even read my post? She was never in my house for one, and for the first couple of minutes he stayed back when I told him she is fine but he needed to stay back untill the cops got there, thats when he started asking her if she knew how much trouble this was going to cause him and how much money it was going to cause him then he got Mr bad azz attitude and started up onto my porch/deck with me still telling him, try to see my point, a 9 year old girl came knocking on my door asking for help, I have to help her, just chill and the cops will be here in a minute. But no, he kept coming with rage in his eyes toward my wife who was not going to back away from the kid. He was told multiple times, just chill, your daughter is fine, she is 5 feet from you, she wouldn't come to you anyway, she is frightened of you, he said yeah, she aint seen nothing. Dude was a DB
I'm done arguing with you.

I see you deleted you last post.

I almost spit my coffee out as I read this. As I was reading this entire thread the thought kept running through my mind......" I wonder if he lives near a lake or river?" I find it funny because I live near Medina Lake and have had to deal with tweakers and all of the crap that accompanies those people. I too live in one of the nicer areas but there are definitely "pockets". What is it about bodies of water that attract trash? You did the right thing.

I did delete it, my opinion in how you handled yourself differs and no point in arguing with anyone on the internet over differences.
In the end I think you had the girls best interest in mind so thanks for stepping up when a lot these days wouldn't...

I agree. I know of a kid as well that would make up stories about their parents just for the attention of it. The dad might've been mad but most folks would be if a stranger had their child and wouldn't let them go

Can't speak for everyone, but all three of my kids know better than to leave the house without me or my wife knowing. Something very wrong when a 9 year old is wandering the streets in today's time

WOW! I read here often. Post vary rarely. This could have gone bad, horribly bad, in seconds. If you did everything 100% correct, the result/outcome would have been bad. I can’t see a way you would have escaped this. Not in our world today. It’s a great thing the cops arrived when they did. I can see repercussions from this still. Depends on tat dude and his situation. I believe you said he never saw gun. I hope not. If he did, I would contact my lawyer. I am not judging or criticizing, you lived it and made the call, but this would have been life altering for all. Just my opinion, but I still can’t see this turning out well. I am glad it appears to so far.

Hope and pray it is over and done.

I can’t imagine involving myself to point of using a gun unless the child is escaping violent physical, possible death, and it’s visiable. To keep a child from a parent as described, I see no good outcome from that.

1: Child shows up asking for help.
2: LEO's were called.
3: He didn't pull a gun on anyone.
4: Irate parent or not, kid is staying until LEO arrives.

I know CCL very well, lots of dirtbags living in close proximity to $500k homes. Irate parent will just have to suck it up and wait for cops, that was already set in motion when an unattended child showed up asking for help from abusive adults. Irate parent needs to keep his cool while trespassing. Kids do make up stories, but that is for someone else to determine. We all read about kids getting beat to death on a regular basis by their parents/relatives/steps. I think he handled it pretty good for a bad situation.

Well articulated.....

. And on the money. Well stated Mike

X2

Thankful there still are folks that know what the right thing to do is and are willing to do it.

Too many just look the other way.

Probably lucky dear old neck tat dad isn't a member of the pistol packing community... be it licensed or not.

I carry (licensed) sure glad I don't have to face the decisions I would make and the repercussions of them if some stranger had one of my kids in their home and wouldn't let me to them or them to me.

CCBIRDDOGMAN, sounds like you were in a tough spot and knew it. It also sounds like you handled about as well as a man could. Probably a blessing there was not a long wait for the cops to show up. I agree with letting the police sort things out. I'm also a father and can see how things could have escalated quickly. The tough thing about it all is you just can't assume much about someone else's sense of right and wrong.

RC - you have a reading comprehension problem or the emotion is getting the best of you on this topic. CC stated the kid was never in his home and was where the Dad could see her. He wasn't kidnapping this dude's kid. He was just trying to get to the bottom of a mess and wanted the police involved...I think we should all be able to appreciate that.

My guess is you wouldn't leave your kid home alone to be put in this situation and your kid would want to be with you when it's clear she didn't want to be with her allegedly abusive father...so you're just swelling up making yourself look like a poppa bear when you don't need too. Take a deep breath dude

I may have a reading issue, I thought the kid was inside.

Again im not saying he did a thing wrong either and even said I think he did right. Its just the what if?

said more than once the kid was never inside.

I knew something was up.

I get being emotional when it comes to the kids too...you're definitely a proud poppa, I've seen your posts here about your son....at the same time you don't have a neck tat either

I have exactly one tattoo, my wife's name on my chest. That being said, nothing, and I mean NOTHING, says "don't ever even think about hiring me" like a neck tat.

Yep. I have one on my arm that doesn't show in business casual.

I support the OP. Good job in my opinion.

Dude, all you had to say was Lake People... Now I completely understand the situation.

If I was in the same situation as the OP you should be glad because I would of handled it just like he did. I would of told you the same thing he told tat man. I would have no sympathy for a parent that let's their 9 year old go unsupervised. I would look at it as your problem with the police to solve from this point forward.

To the OP: I think you handled it the right way. Especially knowing what I know about the meth heads that reside all around you. Don't even want to think about what their kids are going through.

This thread makes me want to get a neck tattoo.

Can you say "'Bama"?

That's what Rick said..

Is that a piston?? 'Just askin'.

Yes and don't talk crap about my boy Rick. I love watching Gold Rush

In this situation sounds pretty F'd up, either on the parents or gma that was supposed to be watching her, but not against the law to leave your 9 year old alone.


And about the neck tattoo. I have some good friends with neck tattoos who are some of the best hearted, loyal people I know. Professional or prison done.....

What does that mean?

And, do they have a job?

My girlfriend's ex is all tatted up. I have none. Dont want any either. Her ex needs to be casturated with the tongs. World class low life.

"Castrated." But I'm with ya.

Means I have friends that have both types, done while they were in prison and done in a shop.

Five of them are business owners, millionaires a couple in the double digit millionaire.
One owns a roofing company, does corporate jobs. Have done jobs as big as Ikea.
One owns gyms in LA, Atlanta, and Florida. He has a multimillion dollar house in the Hollywood hills a few doors down from Jennifer Aniston. Has three Ford GTs, two twin turbo, a Lambo, Bentley, and a few other cars all paid for.
One owns a tree service company and hot shot company. Partner with another of my friends in a high end NYC restaurant with a brownstone in Manhattan.
Two own Tattoo shops in Dallas. One has a custom Lambo Huracan, Lexus LCA other is into old cars. Steel bodied '32 coupe, front engine dragster, and a few other hot rods.

So yeah, they have jobs.

Doesn't Judd have a neck tatoo?

No, but if I can find a picture of him he will when I get done with him lol.

Let's see if that hold true by this time next week first

English please

He and all his man crushes are going on a circlejerk goose hunt.

LMFAO

“He and all his man crushes are going on a circlejerk goose hunt”


Jealous! Party of 1 your table is ready! Jealous? Party of 1? Where’d he go?

You did good protecting a child; however, you mentioned your wife was there...? Had she taken the child in the house while or when the dad confronted you, the situation may have been a bit calmer. It would have taken away the opportunity for the child to be exposed to anger and or a possible volatile situation.

Just my .02 cents but glad you put a child first.

Disagree, respectfully. If you’re the Dad, there’s a huge difference in physically seeing your kid and them disappearing into someone’s house. I think that would definitely escalate that situation. All in all, based on what was presented to CC, he did an awesome job at ensuring everyone’s overall safety until LEO showed up. That sucks to be put into situations you don’t ask for like that. Good job Sir!

Well, the THFers Monday morning quarterbacked the heck out of this one. It is very easy to sit behind your keyboard and tell the OP what he should have done from the safety of your home or office. The fact is you people weren't there and have no idea how fluid and fast moving these situations are. Of course don't let lack of experience keep you from arguing your opinion. Also, just because some of you would shrink from helping the child in this situation certainly doesn't mean the OP did anything wrong.

Recap:

Child came to OP and needed help. OP protected the child until law enforcement could arrive and take over. No one was hurt.

Both state and federal law mandate immediate reporting of suspected abuse. The OP did the right thing both legally and morally. Mandatory reporting applies to all individuals and is not limited to teachers or health care professionals. The law even extends to individuals whose personal communications may be otherwise privileged, such as attorneys, clergy members, and health care professionals. The fact the child asked for help was all he needed to know. From there it is up to LEO’s and/of CPS to sort it out. Hopefully the kiddo is OK and neck-tat gets a life.

My neck tat says "No Regrats"...you've probably seen pictures online. Don't hate

My neck tat says “PIMP LIFE”.

There is a guy on the TBH that had a similar experience as yours OP.