I can’t, don’t claim too. Honestly I don’t have the equipment for beyond 300. I am admitting I clearly can’t, I wanna make that clear

I have a friend that can put a 3 shot group on a man sized target under normal conditions at a 1000 Yards consistently

My question is how many “above” average shooters can do that?

Let’s say above average to fireman’s level even

Is it rare, real rare, how rare?

It would surprise you to know how many old over the course and Palma shooters could do that. Ron

Could be, I really don’t know

Are we talking shooters, or people that build a gun, learn it, and spend enough time with it to be proficient?

I don’t have the equipment for that type of shooting. However, I feel like if somebody else built the rifle , dialed the scope, loaded the ammo, and set me down behind said rig I could make the shot.

From the outside lookin in, putting the crosshairs on the target and squeezing the trigger seems like the easy part.

He’s take his gun, his scope and ammo and doing it

Just you and your equipment

I’m sure I could be taught but I can’t do it as I sit today

I was just curios what the better shooting guys thought

I would think given the right equipment 90% of people can consistently hit an 18” target at 1000 yards with minimal instruction. That same person with a class such as JGs can consistently hit that target and others on their own from that point forward. The key is the right equipment.

Ok, sounds right.

It was out of my element and was wondering what y’all thought

Never tried 1k but have shot 800 yards. Figure I could get there if I wanted to. Elevation is the easy part with todays equipment, wind and doping for it is more of an art form. I was for a while shooting to 600 regularly with a factory rifle and duplex scope. Takes practice but can be done.

Thanks, it sounding like a good shooter can do it

1000 seemed a steep hill to a hack like me and was curios

Several of us have discussed this for years. The percentage of the general population that can do it, competitor, as well as military Sniper (I'm not including PD Sniper on purpose) is way smaller than many think.

In 2012 we figured 10,000 people in the country (not world wide).
Today, let's double it, 20,000 people in America.

What's the percentage?

*300,000,000

20,000 that can.

*30,000

2 that can

*15,000

1 that can

And I think that is generous.

Once you know how the whole orchestra works in concert, 1k isn't that bad. Friend of mine watched me check 100 yard zero, then go straight to 1k on the next shot. Then 1100, then 1350. He was dumbfounded. I've set steel, then hit it UKD, working out the DOPE to figure out distance, and extrapolated distance based on correction. That was 1575 yards. 1760 yards (mile) is just more up and more wind hold, if your bullet still has the gas to get there.

Distance is science, wind is art.

Anybody with the right equipment and a little instruction can learn to do it quite consistently, when the wind cooperates.

I believe it, he can.

Thanks, my gut told me it was fairly rare

I believe you can

I believe it ain’t easy

Wind is the biggest unknown variable and the only way to be good at guessing it is rounds down range imo.

Fact.

Only way to get good at shooting in the wind, is to shoot in the wind often. Days I'm on duty, and it is blowing 20+ I always think "be a good day to be shooting".

With the right caliber, bullet, rifle, and shooter, it's very doable. Now, if someone tells me they can do it with a 28 Nosler or a 375 CheyTac, ok cool. Now if someone tells me they can do it with a 308, there's your shooter! Shooting 1K yards is not hard, but certain calibers and rifles make it much easier. Man size target is generally about the size of an IPSC target- 17 3/4" W x 29 1/2" H. That's honestly a pretty big target. During competitions like the Bushnell Brawl at Rifles Only, their targets are either 2/3 IPSC or 1/2 size IPSC. They are about moa in size, and some were 8"x11", which is the size of a piece of paper. Those can be pretty challenging in the common high winds there (15-25+ mph).

Or do it with a .223 or .223 A.I.

My son was 9 or 10 the first time he shot 1000 yards with my .284 Win. He dialed the elevation that my ballistics app gave him and I spotted for him and called wind holds. It's really not too hard.

I think its rare only cause most don't have access to ranges at that distance. First time I shot that far was at Tac Pro for the qualifier back in 07 or 08 cant remember.
it was a lot easier than I thought with my modest gear. it took a few shots to get a hit but once i figured out my hold I had it.

I shot a buddies gun that day that had far better optics and a faster flatter shooting gun than mine. learned how to adjust for dope and that was it. I thought after we left that day
I couldn't believe it wasn't as hard as it had been made out to be. with a good shooting gun and decent optics its not that hard to get a hit or 3 at 1k yards.

The hard part is getting first or second round hits. Just about anyone can shoot, correct, and repeat enough times to get a hit eventually, if the gear is capable and the target is big enough. But the knowledge and experience required to get a hit early is where the difficulty is.

Wind is voodoo, elevation is easy. Nobody dopes wind correctly every time, especially the first shot.

I agree. But my point is that the question was multi-faceted. How many shooters even know how to dope the wind? And of those who do, how many are competent enough to read and properly correct for wind without a half dozen test shots?

The elevation part is mostly knowledge and not that much experience. The wind part is the opposite.

Bingo, It aint brain surgery, pretty much a chimp can do it. Your buddy wants to play LONG RANGE, have him go see the boyeez over at Alamo Precision. They have taken "long range" to a whole other meaning..

like JRaider says, the right equipment and the right conditions. Oh yeah, for me a SOLID bench, I'm half a cripple.

I’m not saying he was PLAYING LONG RANGE Buzz

Just a friend who can do it and I didn’t know how common that was

And FYI, I bet the guys at Alamo could learn a thing or two from him

With the right equipment (accurate rifle and dependable scope, good rest or bipod) and 'normal' conditions, I would hope that 60-70% of 'above-average' shooters could walk in off the street and hit a man-sized target at 1000 3 times.

But as posted above, if the wind is changing speeds/angles AT ALL, or you just say 'here's the rifle/dope, good luck' that number is going to drop significantly. I would expect nearly any PRS shooter to be able to do it consistently.

Um.. To gain knowledge, you need experience. DOPE= Data On Previous Experience. That's how you get your dope.

When I tell shooters that I would rather shoot in a little bit of wind compared to no wind, they seem unsure about that statement. Why? I can calculate the wind. When there is very little to no wind, you can't see it enough to know exactly what it is doing. Also, when shooting long range, the worst wind to shoot in is a head or tail wind. Why? The percentage amount of wind drift from an 11 o'clock or 1 o'clock wind is huge, compared to 3 o'clock to 2 o'clock. (See picture below) From 11 o'clock to a 12 o'clock wind you are talking about a 50% wind value. Add the 1 o'clock wind value and you have another 50% wind value in the opposite direction. A head or tail wind is NEVER straight up, it always varies some right and left. The amount of bullet drift in a head or tail is HUGE because of this slight shift in direction. If a shooter can learn this wind clock, their ability to get a first round hit will certainly increase. This is what elevated my wind calling ability. And I run my drop charts in 1 mph increments and calculate it to within 1 mph. If you can calculate the wind to within 1 mph and use this clock system, it will greatly improve your ability to make the correct wind call.