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Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: RJH1] #7392628 01/01/19 10:04 PM
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Originally Posted by RJH1
Want to say thanks to the people who have made a list in order as requested in the OP,and if you didn't/wouldn't/couldn't do that maybe this thread wasn't for you.......


I'm curious what's the point of this thread ... is there some conclusion you are trying to come to? Is there some hypothesis you are trying to "test" with this data? I think the data is close to meaningless unless you know a lot more factors going into each shot.

Regardless, I'll give my ordered list:

257 Roberts
264 Win Mag
5.56x45
.243 Win
30-06

That's right, more DRTs for me with a 5.56 than a 30-06. Doesn't make much sense unless you understand the circumstances. As many have mentioned the key is shot placement and bullet selection. I will qualify it further, shot placement and bullet selection for impact velocity.

Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: bronco71] #7392655 01/01/19 10:27 PM
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Originally Posted by bronco71
Originally Posted by RJH1
So here you go, this is a thread based on YOUR experiences, not trying talk about efficiency, long range, convince other people blah, blah, blah. List in order from best to worst the rounds you have killed deer/hogs with. Only use you actual experience, not hearsay, paper energy, etc., just animals that YOU shot hitting the ground the quickest. Obviously you might change your mind as you kill more animals with a certain caliber so if in the future you want to update go ahead.

Here is mine:

1 3006
2 30-30
3 270 win
4 45/70
5 razor sharp broadhead
6 44 mag rifle and pistol
7 7mm rem mag
8 233
9 22LR


It would be interesting to see these posted per the original request, I'm pretty sure I can guess but would like to see the real results....


That list is in order per the original request

Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: jeffbird] #7392661 01/01/19 10:31 PM
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Originally Posted by jeffbird
RJH,

Chad’s reading comprehension is fine.

The premise that the cartridge is the biggest factor is the flaw.

The single biggest factor in lethality is shot placement, followed by bullet performance inside the body.

The cartridge only determines velocity when it leaves the barrel.

Bullets in the brain reliably produce DRT.

Shots to the thoracic spine between the shoulder blades also reliably produces DRT.

Shots to the heart are third place for DRT, but more dependent on a more frangible bullet and more energy.

Shots to the lungs are very dependent on a frangible bullet and even more energy to produce a DRT, and even then are not going to reliably produce DRT on a reliable basis.

That the answer to your question is different than you expected is basis for discussion rather than complaint.

As I put in my response, numerically I’ve killed 100’s with a .308 and 175 Sierra Match Kings, but every other cartridge I’ve used was equally capable of DRT results with shots to the brain or thoracic spine, other than the .243 which did not always penetrate as reliably through heavy bone on large hogs. The .243 with TTSX’s penetrate into the heart fine, but they will run 50 - 100 yards.

Here is a photo from two days ago with a 100 grain TTSX .264” at 2950 at impact through the ear canal into the brain producing instant death. The result would be the same whether from a .260 or 26 Nosler, a .308” 175 SMK from a .308 Win or .300 Win Mag, or a 300 grain SMK from a .338 Lapua. They all will produce equal results with this shot placement.

So bottom line, shot placement and bullet selection to match with a reliably accurate shooter must be considered. Chad is spot on.

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You made more or less a list, which is cool. I clarified to Chad specifically and asked for a list, he answered with EXACTLY what the OP asked to avoid, what else am i supposed to think.....

Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: Rock Rancher] #7392666 01/01/19 10:43 PM
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Originally Posted by Rock Rancher
Originally Posted by RJH1
Want to say thanks to the people who have made a list in order as requested in the OP,and if you didn't/wouldn't/couldn't do that maybe this thread wasn't for you.......


I'm curious what's the point of this thread ... is there some conclusion you are trying to come to? Is there some hypothesis you are trying to "test" with this data? I think the data is close to meaningless unless you know a lot more factors going into each shot.

Regardless, I'll give my ordered list:

257 Roberts
264 Win Mag
5.56x45
.243 Win
30-06

That's right, more DRTs for me with a 5.56 than a 30-06. Doesn't make much sense unless you understand the circumstances. As many have mentioned the key is shot placement and bullet selection. I will qualify it further, shot placement and bullet selection for impact velocity.


If you look at my list you will notice that a 7 mag is on the bottom when it seems like it should be near the top, and that is with similar shot placement, so things are not always as they seem. And i know others have had tremendous success with that round but for me it just didn't work as well as others with similar shot placement, deer always ran and tended to bleed less, don't really make sense but that is the way it was

The point of this can be whatever you want it to be, big cartridges are the best, cartridge size matters none, x cartridge is the best, no cartridge is the best, all animals are individuals, crap happens?

We see so many threads on what is the best cartridge, thought it would be interesting to see which cartridges had worked the best and worst for each person, that was really the only point, no conspiracies.

Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: RJH1] #7392668 01/01/19 10:44 PM
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Got it, I meant everyone else that didn't follow the instructions. I realize that there are many other variables but it is interesting to see the 25's doing well. I'm thinking some of the larger calibers being lower on the list could be due to recoil or less expansion due to speed and bullet construction. I haven't hunted as much with my 25-06 but everything I have shot has been DRT. Most previous whitetail hunting was with my 30-06 with about 90% DRT and the others down within 50 yards. The 300 Win mag was on several Colorado mule deer both DRT, I don't carry it for whitetail.

Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: RJH1] #7392900 01/02/19 01:32 AM
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1. 270win in my experience as good as it gets for whitetail.
2. 7-08 really close with the 270 win. Maybe a tie except I have shot a lot more animals with a 270win.
3. 6.5x55 sweede. No complaints here either. A definite overachiever. Utterly dependable.
4. 7RM I only use it on deer when I'm after a mature buck and anticipate a longish shot. No issues with anchoring them on the spot. It has my confidence, I just have not used it as often as those above.
5. 30-06. Works as well as any I have listed above. I moved on to other things because I viewed the 30-06 like tits. Everyone has two.
6. 223 responsible for more dead in its tracks deer, by me, than any listed above, so I felt compelled to include it. It is my doe gun. I use it exclusively on deer to either ear hole or skull cap does, with the exception of a high shoulder shot on a 174" buck last year. It is batting 100 percent. It's capabilities are also a lot more limited than anything else on my list. If I'm being honest with myself, for a dedicated deer rifle, it is a poor choice when compared to anything else on my list.

I've taken deer with a lot of other cartridges. Numbers one through five though, at least in my experience, are among the best of the best. It has already been mentioned but DRT in my estimation is actually more a function of bullet placement than cartridge selection.


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Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: RJH1] #7392938 01/02/19 01:56 AM
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Interesting that no one listed the 6.5 Creedmoor, or did I miss it?

My list:
300 Win Mag
308 Win
45-70
270 Win
257 Roberts

I have a 6.5x55 Swede but haven't had the opportunity to hunt with it yet. I'm sure it will do the job.

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Deer:
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30-06
.303(my first few deer in the late 60’s/early 70’s
30-30
6.5x55
.243
.223(Axis, less than 75 yards probably at night)

Have had DRT and deer run with everything but 6.5x55 and .223 which means nothing. Longest distance kill around 300 yards, vast majority under 200 yards.

Hogs:
30-30
.270
6.5x55
.223

All shots under 100 yards and couldn’t tell much difference.


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Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: RJH1] #7393010 01/02/19 02:39 AM
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270 WSM - accubonds
22-250- 55 gr vmax
6.5 creed- Berger vldh 130 and a few 147 eldm
6.8 spc - 120 sst
308 - 168 amax
30-06 -
243- 90 accubond

Re: Deer/Hog killin' round opinions [Re: Brother in-law] #7394882 01/03/19 10:41 PM
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My list for deer
270 Win
30-30
308
300 Win Mag
The only deer I couldn't find was with the 300 Win Mag

My list for hogs
308
6.8 SPC
270 Win

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