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Pulsars next thermal scope - what do you think ? #7377102 12/14/18 07:59 PM
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Re: Pulsars next thermal scope - what do you think ? [Re: Pig_Popper] #7377128 12/14/18 08:35 PM
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Pricing and full details won't be released until SHOT Show, the last week of January in Vegas.

This is going to be a huge change and shift moving to a traditional rifle scope look and feel. I can see some benefits and I can see some negatives as well. From what I've been told these are going to be pretty impressive. I'm ready to get my hands on them in the field.

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Re: Pulsars next thermal scope - what do you think ? [Re: Pig_Popper] #7377158 12/14/18 09:09 PM
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Well, now people will have a thermal scope on which to put their custom height 30mm rings as opposed to just being the height of whatever mount came with it (e.g., Pulstar Trail, Trjicon IR scopes). However, it looks like it will be a minimum of a mid height scope ring, if not a tall.

Going with rings will make mounting on some traditional rifles much easier...which appeals tremendously to their European market and to a goodly portion of the possible US market.


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Re: Pulsars next thermal scope - what do you think ? [Re: Pig_Popper] #7377440 12/15/18 03:14 AM
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If only it had an optical zoom and not digital frown

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Summer 2019? Too late for my wants.

Are the turrets used for the menu controls? Wonder how well that will work.


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Originally Posted by BigPig
If only it had an optical zoom and not digital frown


Not happening with any thermal in the foreseeable future. Germanium lenses don't work well stacked as needed for optical zoom. If you watch military helicopter videos, when they zoom on thermal, there is a complete lens change in order to change the level of magnification.

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Summer 2019? Too late for my wants.

Are the turrets used for the menu controls? Wonder how well that will work.


Nobody is saying, but at least one of the side turrets also has a button, so maybe a combo of turrets and buttons? There are also buttons above the eye piece. I suspect one or more turrets are battery compartments.


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As far as magnification goes, the unit shown in the ad is an XP50 with 1800 meter detection range. The current Trail XP50 has an 1800 meter detection range and is 1.6x. So it is probably safe to assume that the Thermion XP50 will be 1.6x or in that ball park.

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Re: Pulsars next thermal scope - what do you think ? [Re: Pig_Popper] #7378023 12/16/18 12:32 AM
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No swappable battery pack like in the Trail models. Maybe external battery pack only?


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Few would buy if it was external battery only.


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Re: Pulsars next thermal scope - what do you think ? [Re: Pig_Popper] #7392650 01/01/19 10:25 PM
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I think it's going to be great. I'll fiddle with it some at Shot and report back. Will probably have a hunt with the Pulsar guys in a couple of months and will get to run it in the field.


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I would be a buyer on this on based on MDMORROW Report back from the show and possibly a trial run in the field.

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I had the First Gen IR Hunter Thermal, and have since traded it off for a long range gun but looking at this new scope might be the ticket, will be interesting to see what the reviews are like...and of course what the price is going to be...
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Originally Posted by Master Plumb
I would be a buyer on this on based on MDMORROW Report back from the show and possibly a trial run in the field.


I would reckon we'll probably get in the field with it maybe around March roughly. Best guess.

Will report back with more info. We'll also probably start a waiting list in the next week or so. No money or anything but just a list of interested folks.


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Originally Posted by Loanman
I had the First Gen IR Hunter Thermal, and have since traded it off for a long range gun but looking at this new scope might be the ticket, will be interesting to see what the reviews are like...and of course what the price is going to be...
Looks like it could be a Hit...


So you had one of the 320 resolution IR Hunters? Pig_Popper and I got to field two of the first two to come to Texas. IR Defense still had a lot of bugs to work out back then.


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I think the pricing is going to be really interesting. We won't know until the week of SHOT but that's only 3 weeks from now. I'm interested to see if things slide down at all or stay right about where they are. My crystal ball prediction is, if they drop, it's not by more than a couple hundred dollars. Again pure speculation.

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Is it just a XP50 that can use scope rings or did they upgrade the internals?

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Originally Posted by HookEmHogs
Is it just a XP50 that can use scope rings or did they upgrade the internals?


Information given here on availability date:



It is being reported from SHOT show that the Thermion is replacing the APEX which will be discontinued.

It has onboard recording, increased onboard storage to 16 GB

It’s a 30mm scope body, rings are NOT included with the scope

Color screen with color palettes with Picture in Picture feature

Battery Power: they are calling the battery packs B-mini packs, the shorter turret B-mini will run about 4 hrs the taller version about 6 hrs. There is an internal battery as well making this a “hot swap” capable device. If you remove the B-mini battery you’ll have about an hour of internal battery to run on so you can charge the B-mini pack.

XM version is the 320 res which will be in 30, 38, or 50mm lens sizes.
The 30 is 3.3-13.2x | 38 is 4.2-16.8x | 50 is 5.5-22x

Retail pricing : XM30 is 2799.00 , XM38 is 3299.00 , XM50 is 3799.00

XP version is the 640 res - no model or pricing info yet


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So they have some decent magnification on their 320 (XM) line. COOL!

I wonder about the 640 line...


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That's a lot of native magnification. Not sure how I feel about that. I like zoom when hunting one animal. I like the wide field of view when shooting a sounder of pigs.


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I'm still at SHOT but here is some more info.....
As we announced this last week on The Late Night Vision Show, some big news is the RXQ30V has gone out of current production for 3 months. It will return with a black and white AMOLED instead of the green tinted display it currently has. It will remain an active model though 2019.

All Apexes are gone and the Trails will stay only until the first Thermion units ship. At that point they will be discontinued. The Trail LRF's will be an active model through 2019.

Here is a break down....

Pulsar Axion thermal handheld monoculars

Axion Key XM22 (unknown magnification) $1,699 (no video recording) - This unit will not be shipping until later in the year, it can be disregarded for now
Axion Key XM30 2.4-9.6x24 $1,899 (no video recording)
Axion XM30 4.1-16.4x24 $2,199
Axion XM38 5.5-22x32 $2,599

Pulsar Thermion thermal rifle scopes


Thermion XM30 3-13x $2,799
Thermion XM38 4.2-16x $3,299
Thermion XM50 5.5-22x $3,799

Thermion XP38 1.5-12x $4,499
Pulsar Thermion XP50 1.9-15x $4,999


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XQ = 384x288 17 micron
XM = 320x240 12 micron
XP = 640x480 17 micron

I hope this info helps a little bit.

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Well the battery pack didn’t last long this should save them money since I’ve had 3 go bad with in 8 months.


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And that, KK30RAR, is the giant unspoken shortcoming of proprietary battery packs.


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