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Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: FiremanJG] #7331631 10/30/18 02:27 PM
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Originally Posted By: FiremanJG
Leave the whitetail alone, manage accordingly. Add a handful of Axis.

This^^^^^^and maybe a handful of bison.....


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Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: txtrophy85] #7331638 10/30/18 02:29 PM
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I'll play! I would add axis deer and blackbuck antelope. Both do well in Texas, are fun and challenging to hunt, and yield great meat. They also reproduce and grow relatively quickly. I think native Bandera Co. whitetail can be managed for development in a high-fence ranch with the right feed and selective hunting, which is sometimes tough on low-fenced properties that may not be surrounded by like-minded QDMers.


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Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: Big_Ag] #7331650 10/30/18 02:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Big_Ag
Iím in the ďno exotics to compete with the whitetailĒ camp. Build a 15 or so acre high fence in a prime habitat area of the ranch that includes cover and a permanent water source. Buy 15 bred high end genetic does, preferably 3 or 4 years old from 2 or 3 sources and put in the 15 acres along with a breeder buck from another source. The does will have their fawns and then be bred back by the breeder buck. The spring of year two after the does have been bred back, release all the deer in the 15 acres onto the ranch. You want to do this in the spring after the bucks have shed their antlers so any native bucks wonít kill your young improved genetic yearling bucks or the breeder buck.

During the two years you are building your high end genetics to release, kill as many of the native does as possible (I guarantee you wonít be able to kill them all). Does contribute more to the gene pool than bucks, but you canít tell which native does have good genetics, so remove as many as possible, You know the high end does you release do possess superior genes and you want these does to be your ongoing breeding stock. Your high end does will be tagged when they are delivered to your ranch, so this will enable you to protect them from hunters once they are liberated out of the 15 acres.

Iíd also try and kill as many of the native bucks, but if you have some better than average genetics, you may want to establish a cull criteria on the native bucks. After the deer are liberated and you are waiting on the improved genetic bucks to grow up, you could add some stocker bucks to hunt. You may also want to add 3 or 4 more bred does every few years to continue diversifying the genetics.

This model works, but does take some patience.


Great idea, if you could release them after two years. Unfortunately, under current TPWD regulations that came about due to CWD, all imported deer (and offspring) must remain on the release site. Otherwise, you'll fall back to NMQ and have to submit 80% of all fatalities or hunter killed deer for CWD testing. For three years, I believe. I could be wrong on the duration. Now days, the very best method of improving your genetics and top end deer are DMP pens.

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I'd manage the WT herd and make habitat improvements and start a supplemental feeding program to maximize the genetic potential of the native deer. Them I'd add a handful of Axis because I like the way they look and taste. And then, depending on the terrain, I'd chose between Blackbuck (if there is a more open area for them to hang out in) or white Fallow (if the land is more forested.) I like both of those exotics for the way they look and the hunting / eating potential, although I favor fallow as table fare.

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I'd concentrate my efforts to developing the whitetail population and later maybe a few Axis.
Too much competition will cause problems.

Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: fouzman] #7331730 10/30/18 03:18 PM
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Originally Posted By: fouzman
Originally Posted By: Big_Ag
Iím in the ďno exotics to compete with the whitetailĒ camp. Build a 15 or so acre high fence in a prime habitat area of the ranch that includes cover and a permanent water source. Buy 15 bred high end genetic does, preferably 3 or 4 years old from 2 or 3 sources and put in the 15 acres along with a breeder buck from another source. The does will have their fawns and then be bred back by the breeder buck. The spring of year two after the does have been bred back, release all the deer in the 15 acres onto the ranch. You want to do this in the spring after the bucks have shed their antlers so any native bucks wonít kill your young improved genetic yearling bucks or the breeder buck.

During the two years you are building your high end genetics to release, kill as many of the native does as possible (I guarantee you wonít be able to kill them all). Does contribute more to the gene pool than bucks, but you canít tell which native does have good genetics, so remove as many as possible, You know the high end does you release do possess superior genes and you want these does to be your ongoing breeding stock. Your high end does will be tagged when they are delivered to your ranch, so this will enable you to protect them from hunters once they are liberated out of the 15 acres.

Iíd also try and kill as many of the native bucks, but if you have some better than average genetics, you may want to establish a cull criteria on the native bucks. After the deer are liberated and you are waiting on the improved genetic bucks to grow up, you could add some stocker bucks to hunt. You may also want to add 3 or 4 more bred does every few years to continue diversifying the genetics.

This model works, but does take some patience.


Great idea, if you could release them after two years. Unfortunately, under current TPWD regulations that came about due to CWD, all imported deer (and offspring) must remain on the release site. Otherwise, you'll fall back to NMQ and have to submit 80% of all fatalities or hunter killed deer for CWD testing. For three years, I believe. I could be wrong on the duration. Now days, the very best method of improving your genetics and top end deer are DMP pens.

TTT



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Giraffes and a few zebras

Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: txtrophy85] #7331750 10/30/18 03:27 PM
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I would only want to manage the native WT. I would only bring in deer to keep from inbreeding down the line and I would hope to be able to somehow capture deer from my LF neighbors to accomplish this.


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Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: stxranchman] #7331767 10/30/18 03:36 PM
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Originally Posted By: Big_Ag
Iím in the ďno exotics to compete with the whitetailĒ camp. Build a 15 or so acre high fence in a prime habitat area of the ranch that includes cover and a permanent water source. Buy 15 bred high end genetic does, preferably 3 or 4 years old from 2 or 3 sources and put in the 15 acres along with a breeder buck from another source. The does will have their fawns and then be bred back by the breeder buck. The spring of year two after the does have been bred back, release all the deer in the 15 acres onto the ranch. You want to do this in the spring after the bucks have shed their antlers so any native bucks wonít kill your young improved genetic yearling bucks or the breeder buck.

During the two years you are building your high end genetics to release, kill as many of the native does as possible (I guarantee you wonít be able to kill them all). Does contribute more to the gene pool than bucks, but you canít tell which native does have good genetics, so remove as many as possible, You know the high end does you release do possess superior genes and you want these does to be your ongoing breeding stock. Your high end does will be tagged when they are delivered to your ranch, so this will enable you to protect them from hunters once they are liberated out of the 15 acres.

Iíd also try and kill as many of the native bucks, but if you have some better than average genetics, you may want to establish a cull criteria on the native bucks. After the deer are liberated and you are waiting on the improved genetic bucks to grow up, you could add some stocker bucks to hunt. You may also want to add 3 or 4 more bred does every few years to continue diversifying the genetics.

This model works, but does take some patience.


Great idea, if you could release them after two years. Unfortunately, under current TPWD regulations that came about due to CWD, all imported deer (and offspring) must remain on the release site. Otherwise, you'll fall back to NMQ and have to submit 80% of all fatalities or hunter killed deer for CWD testing. For three years, I believe. I could be wrong on the duration. Now days, the very best method of improving your genetics and top end deer are DMP pens.

TTT


We've done that twice. Problem with TTT is you never know for sure what you're getting in the does.

Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: txtrophy85] #7331778 10/30/18 03:45 PM
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I'd manage the native WT. If I needed some axis to eat just go elsewhere and plug a couple.

Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: txtrophy85] #7331800 10/30/18 03:58 PM
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Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: colt.45] #7334676 11/01/18 08:15 PM
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Donít waste money bringing in superior genetic WT unless you kill all natives first. Or, you can waste the next 20 yrs proving for the several thousandth time that natives genetics will drag your high dollar deer back down to their level. If you want more than a max of 160Ē then youíll need something other than natives (Iím right. Anyone who disagrees is wrong).

Antelope donít compete much with WT. I have ~ 40 scimitar, some kudu, over 40 blackbuck and 13 Arabians in a 350 acre pasture with my improved WT (~ 100 WT). I feed alfalfa in the winter and itís relatively cheap.

Axis are popular but they are hard to hold on my ranch and values are low compared to WT. plus you have to feed lots of does for a sustainable herd. Only deer species Iíll raise now are WT for that reason.

Oryx male and female have trophy value so if youíre interested in $ thatís something to consider. Elk are super hard to hold. Plus elk, red stag, and sika are under cwd restrictions so you have to test harvested animals (a risk I wonít take).



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Given the size of any hunting property I'd ever likely own, I think I'd best plan on New Zealand white rabbits, Peruvian guinea pigs and European hamsters. Then I could brag about the exotics on my property.


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Given the size of any hunting property I'd ever likely own, I think I'd best plan on New Zealand white rabbits, Peruvian guinea pigs and European hamsters. Then I could brag about the exotics on my property.


Peruvian guinea pigs eat pretty good if you make a nice sauce to go with them.


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Re: Letís play a hypothetical....stocking your Ranch [Re: txtrophy85] #7335440 11/02/18 01:07 PM
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Ok, Iíll throw in my answer.

While Hill Country native genetics can produce some nice racks they arenít gonna be south Texas type deer, so I would leave the native stock in place and manage them secondary to my two exotics, axis deer and a large sheep type like a stumberg or Hill Country bighorn

For me, axis are such good table far and are pretty much a staple game animal thst I would want them.

Iím also a sheep nut and these Hill Country bighorns have intrigued me, when I didnít think they would be successful, the stumbergs are beautiful as well and quite large, both of which I like

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I'm thinking about going to the sale barn and getting some longhorns and offer hunts. clap If they are in fact getting $1400 for one, it might be worth it. Buy them as yearlings, turn them out for a few years then bring in some hunters.
I don't have any livestock on my place and the grass is stirrup deep. Over the last few years the only thing I've done is plant black eyed peas for the deer. The dang hogs stay after it, but it give me something to shoot at all the time and the deer seem to be doing well on it. For me I don't want anything but WT and I'm willing to wait for them to mature/ I do enjoy sitting in the blinds watching them go after my Indian Corn. But I don't want to add any other types of wildlife to my place. popcorn


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If Axis were not already on the ranch I would add them, if there was already a herd of Axis I would go with red stags as my first choice. Second if I had another choice would be blackbuck. As most have stated I would try to manage the original WT herd that exists.


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Stay away from red deer, very distructive, been there done that!!!!!

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Wipe out the whitetail. Then add camels, goats and llamas.

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